Theresa May Mark 2

The French would love to send them to the UK. Unfortunately the UK is dragging its heels about taking them.

Aren't you embarrassed that a charity has to take the government to court to try and get it to do what it is legally obliged to do?
I am.

Just been watching this. It made me think of Theresa May saying that if you are a global citizen you are a citizen from nowhere. She's wrong.

www.amnesty.org.uk/team-refugees-make-history-rio-2016

It's even sadder that the French authorities allow vulnerable children to fend for themselves in a place of deprivation and danger on French territory without apparently being even remotely concerned!

It's sad that a charity has to take the government to court to get justice for refugees in France.

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/08/charity-takes-legal-action-against-home-office-over-child-refugees

I thought that is exactly what had been happening rose

Yes, they would, as EU laws surrounding it all allowed PIL to bring these claims.It may have been the easier /cheaper option to settle claims.
I think it's high time that all spurious allegations were dealt with swiftly, and only serious matters pursued in accordance with Geneva Conventions and UK criminal law
( which the services are not above.)

Why have the government paid out £20 million in compensation if it is just a witch hunt?
They wouldn't pay compensation if someone hadn't been at fault.

Don't you feel at all sorry for those who have been mistreated, tortured and killed unlawfully by our armed services?
Don't you feel sorry for those who were sent to Guantanamo Bay, illegally, and tortured there?
Thousands of our soldiers went to Iraq, Afghanistan and lots of other places, and behaved impeccably.
Some didn't, and they should not be allowed to get away with it.
Who is allowed to have human rights and who isn't?

There has been so much coverage of ' two ' so-called ambulance chasing firms that Theresa May perhaps thought she did not have to prove anything it is public knowledge.

They really get my heckles up. Theresa May and Fallon have stated this

"What we've seen in recent times is human rights legislation being used to generate all these vexatious claims and troops finding themselves inn some difficulty and worrying and concerned about the future as a result of that.

"I think it's absolutely right that the Government should say to our troops 'We are on your side'.

"Of course, if there are credible allegations of criminal behaviour, those need to be investigated, but we need to stop this industry of vexatious claims which has grown up, with lawyers appearing to chase around to find anybody who will bring a claim against our troops."

Mrs May stressed that UK forces will at all times be required to operate in accordance with international humanitarian law - including the Geneva Conventions - and service law."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/03/theresa-may-vows-to-protect-troops-from-legal-witch-hunt-by-opti/

I am not bothered about May nor Fallon but I do respect and feel sorry for the armed services personnel that have had their lives ruined by ' SHY--ERS'.

Did you not read the bit that said that the behaviour of some soldiers towards detainees breached the Geneva convention?

The reason PIL closed was because they had their legal aid work taken away from them, not that they had done anything wrong.
Half the war crimes allegations were thrown out, which shows they were doing their work properly.

Legal teams represent people that they even know to be guilty.
Would you rather our forces were allowed to get away with breaking their rules of engagement just because it was in Iraq?

From the Full Fact link

' Many claimants were represented by Public Interest Lawyers, a solicitors’ firm in Birmingham which closed down at the end of August. It was run by Phil Shiner, who might fairly be described as an “activist left-wing human rights lawyer”. Mr Shiner was once named “Human Rights Lawyer of the Year” by the campaign group Liberty and has reportedly described himself as a “committed socialist”.

But the Prime Minister produced no evidence for her claim that Mr Shiner or any other lawyer harangued or harassed individual troops while representing their clients.'

What do you think of this Durhamjen

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37084030

'The LAA took its decision after reviewing information submitted by the firm, following a Solicitors Regulation Authority investigation.
PIL, which has offices in London and Birmingham, represented complainants in the £31m Al-Sweady inquiry into a 2004 battle in southern Iraq.
The firm was criticised when the inquiry's 2014 report concluded that the subsequent war crimes allegations were based on "DELIBERATE LIES', reckless speculation and ingrained hostility".
That report concluded the behaviour of some soldiers towards detainees breached the Geneva convention, but was highly critical of the claims it was initially set up to investigate.
These were that Iraqi detainees had been murdered, mutilated and tortured following the Battle of Danny Boy on 14 May 2004 near Al Amarah in southern Iraq.
Phil ShinerImage copyrightPA
Image caption
Phil Shiner led the legal team at Public Interest Lawyers
The report found that British forces responded to a deadly ambush by insurgents with "exemplary courage, resolution and professionalism".
And it suggested some detainees - all described as members or supporters of the Mahdi Army insurgent group - lied about the most serious allegations, so as to discredit the British armed forces.

This is interesting, about Theresa May's speech about human rights law and the military.

fullfact.org/law/clamping-down-human-rights-lawyers/

Explains why she was so nasty about activist left-wing human rights lawyers. Hope Keir Starmer gets put onto this.

@POGS

To borrow a description often used for Nigel Farage "He says it how it is".

The Hermitage in Chester le Street is no good. It's been turned into some very nice flats, complete with indoor pool.
Too many other people there.

It was his speech at the EU Parliament - I have seen several of those. Farage has done UK no favours at all with the way he talks to the other members -esp Verhofstadt. He is one of the main negotiators but there is also another chap who has been named. The U.K was told months ago what the stance of the EU would take if the vote was to leave but no one believed it - the UK Govt are acting as if nothing has been said and they are leading the negotiations.

Ah yes, but there's the boat problem isn't there; I had thought of that.

The hermitage at Warkworth is empty, I believe, Tegan.

Daphnedil

Why do you believe the EU has put forward Guy Verhofstadt as one of it's 'finest generals'?

What do you see in him that others may or may not.

Guy Verhofstadt will be an excellent negotiator. The EU has put forward one of its best generals. Let's hope the UK does the same!

Tegan, come to Wales, we certainly have lots of caves . I have found this year to be so unsettling, so much agression , so much fear

Welsh wife

I am assuming you were watching the EU Parliament live on BBC Parliament or do you have other options of viewing e.g live outside the UK.

You will also not have failed to notice the MEP's were fighting npike cats in a sackm, as usual.

Guy Verhofstadt has been mentioned before and that attitude cemented the concern I have of Verhofstadt being an unbiased negotiator in the upcoming Brexit Negotiations in his role of European Parliament lead Negotiator.

I suppose my liking her translates into having some faith that she will try to make the best of an impossible job. Nobody will ever be happy with everything she does and some are determined not to be. Time will tell

It doesn't matter about liking a PM, as long as they do the job.Too early for anyone to be making judgements when May has only been PM for such a short while.
WW there is certainly no hope for you, on the quinoa munching bit alone!

Erm I quite like Theresa May. She's been landed with trying to sort out a shambles. (Dons tin hat and runs to chat threads)

I'm still in a state of disbelief about what has happened to this country over the past few months. As to where we are and where we're going I think I may have to continue with my head in the sand policy, as I can't cope with it. Throw Trump into the mix and even that policy isn't enough. Anyone know of a spare hermits cave I could move to?