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Theresa May Mark 2

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whitewave Sun 02-Oct-16 07:58:30

The 1972 Act that enshrined the EU law into UK law is to be repealed. The existing EU laws will remain and get repealed as necessary in future.

That will of course very much depend I assume on the negotiated settlement with the EU.
No other EU law will now enter UK law.

Welshwife Mon 03-Oct-16 09:01:34

The most likely thinking of the 28% is that they wanted no change to the status quo. To say they do not matter is disregarding more than a quarter of the population. There may be very good reasons that many did not vote such as sudden illness giving no time to register a postal vote. Also there were a lot of 'lost/ destroyed' votes - this is being looked into I believe.

Anniebach Mon 03-Oct-16 09:39:22

"Power without responsibility, the prerogative of harlots through the centuries "

Stanley Baldwin on press barons. 1931

durhamjen Mon 03-Oct-16 18:29:19

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/29/g4s-equality-helpline-contract-raises-serious-concern-high-court-told

This is how Theresa May helps the underdog, by handing the company the Equality and Advisory Support Service.
Any problems you have with G4S, ask G4S to sort it out for you.

www.equalityadvisoryservice.com/

whitewave Mon 03-Oct-16 18:52:48

West Sussex school heads(all of them) have written to parents warning that they may have to cut school hours because of the cuts they've had to endure. West Sussex County Council is Tory.

They may have to go to day 4 day week. What will parents do!?

durhamjen Mon 03-Oct-16 19:38:00

Just read yesterday that Latymer Grammar School in Enfield is asking parents to make up the shortfall.

whitewave Mon 03-Oct-16 19:40:13

Perhaps they are secretly privatising education as well

durhamjen Mon 03-Oct-16 19:57:25

Not that secretly, with academy chains and free schools.

daphnedill Mon 03-Oct-16 20:58:45

Parts have been privatised for years. They can't charge a fee, but some of the academy chains pay sister companies for 'consultancy' services and curriculum plans. One of them pays over £100,000 a year to an American company.

whitewave Tue 04-Oct-16 11:22:17

Well I listened. With expectant interest at Hammonds speech in the hope that a strategy would begin to emerge.

Well he did say different times means different economic policies, but you would have looked in vain to work out what these are. Let's hope he has more idea come the Autumn statement.

No one can accuse this government of being quick off the starting block, I am not sure that the starting gun has been fired yet!

whitewave Tue 04-Oct-16 11:30:18

Just as an aside, did anyone who had the stamina to listen, notice our foreign secretary refer to Africa as if it was one country???

Anyone wish to enlighten him?

nigglynellie Tue 04-Oct-16 11:59:20

What a silly comment, people refer to Europe to Asia, the Middle East without necessarily being specific, why not Africa?!

whitewave Tue 04-Oct-16 12:05:00

You needed to listen to the context nell

MaizieD Tue 04-Oct-16 12:19:49

To revert to the 'Great' Repeal Act.

dj was happily nooting that at least MPs would have to do some work going through 40 years of EU related legislation. But it appears that that may not be the case. Apparently Theresa May is proposing that amending legislation will be done by statutory instrument; this will bypass Parliament. This is worrying many people. David Allen Green explains here: www.ft.com/content/2132989b-0c66-344f-84a8-b24d8d6636b6

But there is something to be concerned about in this announcement. The government is seeking to have what it calls “flexibility” in being able to amend or repeal primary legislation — Acts of Parliament — by statutory instruments. These are through the so-called “Henry VIII clauses” that enable the executive to make huge legal changes with little or no parliamentary scrutiny. Statutory instruments, a form of secondary legislation, are devices by which the government can legislate without troubling the legislature. Such legal means have been roundly criticised by judges such as Lord Judge, the former Lord Chief Justice.

Does this worry anyone here?

It worries me that 'taking back control' looks as though it means a loss of Parliamentary democracy (i.e 'control')in the Tories' hands.

I wish to heaven that there wasn't a great gaping hole where the Opposition used to be.

MaizieD Tue 04-Oct-16 12:21:23

jd wasn't 'nooting' at all, she was 'noting'.

Yorkshiregel Tue 04-Oct-16 13:00:57

I am sick of this catch phrase 'We want to make a country where everyone can reach their full potential'. What exactly does it mean? They are just words. Mrs May is telling the country what they want to hear. The truth is for all the energy and effort that goes in to teaching to the end of the secondary school year the English students come up against a BIG barrier. If they are not able to pay 9 thousand pounds per term, which is 27 thousand pounds per year, for 3 years, they will not be able to afford to go to University. So this government is DENYING them the chance to reach their full potential. I do not understand why the student unions are not fighting this. Scottish students get their education free; Welsh students have to pay about 3 and a half thousand pounds per term, but English students have to pay the full whack. Disgusting discrimination which by the way is also against the EU rules ie 'No member of the EU should be discriminated against'. Foreign students coming here to Oxford or Cambridge are educated free because their governments foot the bill. We are in fact educating every other student except our English students. NOT FAIR!

whitewave Tue 04-Oct-16 13:05:07

Rudd is putting back the Brown idea that regions impacted by immigration need extra cash.

Ana Tue 04-Oct-16 13:16:45

It's £9,000 per year not per term, Yorkshiregel.

Jalima Tue 04-Oct-16 13:21:00

How do we know what the 28% who did not vote whatever the reason feel about it all?
We will probably never know, as they probably feel absolutely nothing at all, if they were so uninterested that they did not vote they will probably be uninterested in the results of the vote Welshwife.

Jalima Tue 04-Oct-16 13:27:44

Hope she repeals the poor laws that her government have put in place.
Have I missed something? I didn't think they had passed any laws yet since she has formed a government.
Perhaps I was busy elsewhere

oh, there is an investigatory powers bill, not gone through yet
Lots of plans but no new laws as yet

Jalima Tue 04-Oct-16 13:30:07

Jeremy Corbyn as you've never seen him before:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Crabtree#/media/File:Shirley_%22Big_Daddy%22_Crabtree.jpg

I never knew that Jeremy's first name was 'Shirley'

Washerwoman Tue 04-Oct-16 13:36:11

Could not agree more Yorkshire, All my DCs have accrued large debts completing their degrees as is the norm now,but middle DD was keen to study in Edinburgh -for a specific course only offered there -until reality about tuition fees hit home an she said at the time she felt it was discrimination against English students.Some United Kingdom.And I know lots of the discrepancies are to do with the Barnett formula etc, and the EU but it's time it was a level playing field for students in the whole of the UK.

daphnedill Tue 04-Oct-16 13:36:58

@Yorkshiregel

I'm not actually defending student fees, but I think there needs to be some clarity here.

Students don't have to pay £9000 a year. They borrow £9000 a year plus another £8000 or so for maintenance. Part of this used to be in the form of a non-repayable grant, but now has to be borrowed in the form of a repayable loan. Therefore, most students borrow £17,000 a year (unless parents can afford to pay upfront).

At the end of the course they will have a debt of over £51,000 or £68,000 for a four-year course. Interest accrues from the date the loan is taken out, so it will already be above the amount borrowed. Most graduates will never earn enough to keep up with the interest payments, because they cannot repay early.

That sounds like a fortune. HOWEVER, it shouldn't put off poor students, because they are unlikely ever to pay off the full amount. The repayments are more like a graduate tax. Many universities also still give non-repayable bursaries. Oxford and Cambridge are the most generous.

PS. EU students can study for free, but NOT all foreign students, who pay MUCH MORE than English students. Universities are worried about losing their foreign students, because the effectively subsidise English students. They are worried but countries such as China are investing heavily in their own universities, so Chines students are tending to stay in their own country, and the UK is increasingly being seen as unwelcoming.

Scottish students can study for free at Scottish universities, but there are strict limits on the number who can study in Scotland, which is why Scottish universities have lower standards for English students. Many Scots study in England and pay fees, because they can't get places in their own universities.

Yorkshiregel Tue 04-Oct-16 13:37:47

In addition to the above post I would like to add that if you commit a crime and go to prison for it, you can spend your term in prison studying for a degree. I have no objection to criminals being educated, but why can they get their education free while ENGLISH students have to pay their full tuition fees themselves? That amount of £81 thousand does not include accommodation costs or living costs. Would any of you want to have that sort of debt on your shoulders? I know I would not. These children are our country's future, the country will benefit from their efforts. This Government needs to invest in our best brains because if they do not English students will go abroad and another country will benefit not this country. Doesn't anyone agree?

daphnedill Tue 04-Oct-16 13:41:54

The Scottish university situation is nothing to do with the Barnett Formula. Education was delegated to the Scottish Parliament and it's up to the Scots how they use the money. It's much harder for Scots to get into Scottish universities, because Scotland only has a limited number of funded places. Scotland has decided to use its money to fund a smaller number of students, but more generously. Your DD would have paid exactly the same amount to go to Edinburgh as she would have done to go to an English or Welsh university.

daphnedill Tue 04-Oct-16 13:45:00

Which £81,000? confused Tuition fees cost £9,000 a year.

My son has just started at university. Maybe I should have told him to mug an old lady before he went! hmm