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Granny23 Wed 05-Oct-16 12:09:59

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/firms-must-list-foreign-workers-gw20ndp5x

Saw this report this am and my blood ran cold. Is this - lists of all foreigners - not the beginning of a very slippery slope which leads to yellow stars sewn on to clothing?

I'm wondering what constitutes a 'FOREIGNER'? Surely not my very good French born Scottish friend who has lived, worked, been married in the UK for nearly 50 years? Or the 3rd generation Asian Scots who run our local convenience store? Or the music teacher who coaches the Wee Community steel band - she's from the USA (and one of the drummers is (shock horror) German. Or the Syrian and Polish families now at school with my DGC. What about DH's Consultants? The last one was from New Zealand, the Current one is, I think, Indian. Will the Houses of Parliament have to list all the MPs and Lords who were born elsewhere.

Am I the only one to hear alarm bells ringing in my ears more loudly than usual? Have we reached a tipping point, where rampant British Nationalism is the only mantra?

Jalima Sun 16-Oct-16 20:12:29

Britain has a reciprocal arrangement with some countries outside of the EU whereupon visitors to each other's countries can obtain emergency (not routine) treatment.
www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcareabroad/countryguide/NonEEAcountries/Pages/Non-EEAcountries.aspx

However, I would not go to any of them without adequate travel insurance.

Jalima Sun 16-Oct-16 20:14:37

Have a look at these forms if you think it's that easy. Would you qualify? You might be surprised
is there a link?

notanan Sun 16-Oct-16 21:28:36

is there a link?

you think it's easy to apply for PR and you can't even find the Home Office site by yourself??

durhamjen Sun 16-Oct-16 21:53:15

fullfact.org/health/health-tourists-how-much-do-they-cost-and-who-pays/

The government will not give freedom of information request figures.

durhamjen Sun 16-Oct-16 21:55:16

"The Home Office is keen to support a pilot scheme at St George’s University Hospital’s Foundation Trust which aims to make all women prove their eligibility to maternity care. This news is not an unexpected step in the re-shaping of the NHS away from its core values and is designed to deny care to women from overseas.

We are losing our humanity if we can think of excluding the most vulnerable in our society from a basic right to safe childbirth. Surely some of the women affected by this programme are the women and children escaping the bombs in Aleppo, suffering on the perilous journey out of Syria and in make-shift refugee camps across Europe. This is utterly shocking.

Already migrant women are at risk of being treated with contempt by NHS staff and the public. One midwife reported to NHA that she was asked by a senior colleague not to give baby clothes to a migrant mother who had nothing because 'she wasn't entitled to NHS services'. What is happening to our NHS? What is happening to us, if we allow this? We are already far down the road from a universal, comprehensive and accessible public service.

There is simply no justification for the scheme introduced by St George's. In a publicly funded health service the most efficient and cost-effective system is to treat everyone.

Exclusion and denial of care in the two-tiered system being introduced across the country will cost us dear both in terms of money and at the cost of our compassion and humanity."

NHA response.

durhamjen Sun 16-Oct-16 22:14:35

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/16/uk-to-take-small-group-of-children-from-calais-refugee-camp

Only about twenty, even though there are 187 who have been identified by the Red Cross.

durhamjen Mon 17-Oct-16 15:39:48

more-onion.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=39c3f30672e1144183c99fc45&id=360321e36b&e=470e6efc8e

From Care International, about how we see refugees. It's facebook.

petra Mon 17-Oct-16 17:45:51

They're very big 'children' aren't they? Some almost seem to have a 5o/clock shadow.
It's irrelevant really because they will all disappear. They are going to look a bit silly in a classroom aren't they? That's what they want to do, isn't it, go to school.

Firecracker123 Mon 17-Oct-16 18:04:40

The lefty lovies will be pleased. I wonder if Lily is having one. All boys, I use that term loosely, no girls.

Ana Mon 17-Oct-16 18:06:36

I noticed that too. Not 'little' boys, either...

Jane10 Mon 17-Oct-16 18:15:56

Yes they will all melt away. Can't see them turning up at school. Its all so difficult. If only they were there as real families and not just these ill informed men who somehow think the streets are paved with gold over here and all girls are willing. I'm sure I'll be sniped at for saying this but its what a lot of people think.

durhamjen Mon 17-Oct-16 18:58:17

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/15/very-scared-death-teenage-stowaway

He was 14, same age as my grandson, who is 5'8" tall and has a five o'clock shadow that he's very proud of.
Some of you are really quite sick.

durhamjen Mon 17-Oct-16 20:56:53

If this gets passed tomorrow, it will not just be foreign children without families who have problems, but British ones, too.

you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/protect-the-rights-of-vulnerable-children-and-care-leavers

'There has been no public consultation and no evidence produced by the Government to support its plan to offer up for abolition every legal duty made for vulnerable children and care leavers since 1933.'

JessM Mon 17-Oct-16 22:25:09

One can only assume that some of this nastiness emanates from those who never have and never expect to have any grandsons between the age of 12 and 18. Or is there a complete disconnect?

annodomini Mon 17-Oct-16 22:59:07

Indeed, Jess. I have a grandson aged 12(and a quarter) who looks at least 14/15 and whose voice has already broken.

merlotgran Mon 17-Oct-16 23:23:55

I would like to point something out and feel free to shoot me down but I lived in the Middle East for many years when I was a child and one thing that was frequently commented on was the youthful appearance of boys.

It often came as a surprise to learn that a houseboy (OK, we had servants)who looked about twelve was actually sixteen. Checks were frequently made for security reasons.

Just saying.

durhamjen Mon 17-Oct-16 23:41:19

www.cartoonkate.co.uk/children-of-calais/

When I was a child, all children here looked younger than they do now.
What age does puberty start now?

CelticRose Tue 18-Oct-16 08:01:16

Middle East. Completely different culture with tribal loyalties ingrained in dna. Pleased to note that others on the forum have noted that Calais "child" migrants allowed in UK are all male. Can't believe that the powers that be haven't also noted this. I wonder at the the cost of constant surveillance watching their activities. Germany and France now learning that they should have done this sooner rather than later.

Firecracker123 Tue 18-Oct-16 08:22:17

Isis said they would send fighters disguised as refugees.

petra Tue 18-Oct-16 08:31:52

Firecracker123 They said they would, they did, and still are.

CelticRose Tue 18-Oct-16 10:13:23

Listening to BBC World Service earlier this morning (whilst doing hicework). There was a forum in Wales discussing the 260 Syrians given asylum there. Of these 260, only one could be found. When interviewed, this one said they had been living illegally in Lebanon but had taken the opportunity to get to UK. I wonder if the asylum seekers have a reporting system via a local authority without breaching their human rights which Tony Bliar signed us up to, or if they are free to travel throughout UK.

JessM Tue 18-Oct-16 10:13:25

They are male because it would be much more unusual for girls to make the journey alone.

annodomini Tue 18-Oct-16 11:20:44

Remember that some of these teenagers have been in 'the jungle' camp for two years or more. What's more, they may have spent a year on the trek through Europe. Therefore, although they may not appear to be children now, they probably were children when they last saw their parents.

Firecracker123 Tue 18-Oct-16 13:25:46

Where are the parents then.

daphnedill Tue 18-Oct-16 15:55:09

Maybe dead?