Foreigners

Middle East. Completely different culture with tribal loyalties ingrained in dna. Pleased to note that others on the forum have noted that Calais "child" migrants allowed in UK are all male. Can't believe that the powers that be haven't also noted this. I wonder at the the cost of constant surveillance watching their activities. Germany and France now learning that they should have done this sooner rather than later.

www.cartoonkate.co.uk/children-of-calais/

When I was a child, all children here looked younger than they do now.
What age does puberty start now?

I would like to point something out and feel free to shoot me down but I lived in the Middle East for many years when I was a child and one thing that was frequently commented on was the youthful appearance of boys.

It often came as a surprise to learn that a houseboy (OK, we had servants)who looked about twelve was actually sixteen. Checks were frequently made for security reasons.

Just saying.

Indeed, Jess. I have a grandson aged 12(and a quarter) who looks at least 14/15 and whose voice has already broken.

One can only assume that some of this nastiness emanates from those who never have and never expect to have any grandsons between the age of 12 and 18. Or is there a complete disconnect?

If this gets passed tomorrow, it will not just be foreign children without families who have problems, but British ones, too.

you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/protect-the-rights-of-vulnerable-children-and-care-leavers

'There has been no public consultation and no evidence produced by the Government to support its plan to offer up for abolition every legal duty made for vulnerable children and care leavers since 1933.'

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/15/very-scared-death-teenage-stowaway

He was 14, same age as my grandson, who is 5'8" tall and has a five o'clock shadow that he's very proud of.
Some of you are really quite sick.

Yes they will all melt away. Can't see them turning up at school. Its all so difficult. If only they were there as real families and not just these ill informed men who somehow think the streets are paved with gold over here and all girls are willing. I'm sure I'll be sniped at for saying this but its what a lot of people think.

I noticed that too. Not 'little' boys, either...

The lefty lovies will be pleased. I wonder if Lily is having one. All boys, I use that term loosely, no girls.

They're very big 'children' aren't they? Some almost seem to have a 5o/clock shadow.
It's irrelevant really because they will all disappear. They are going to look a bit silly in a classroom aren't they? That's what they want to do, isn't it, go to school.

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From Care International, about how we see refugees. It's facebook.

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/16/uk-to-take-small-group-of-children-from-calais-refugee-camp

Only about twenty, even though there are 187 who have been identified by the Red Cross.

"The Home Office is keen to support a pilot scheme at St George’s University Hospital’s Foundation Trust which aims to make all women prove their eligibility to maternity care. This news is not an unexpected step in the re-shaping of the NHS away from its core values and is designed to deny care to women from overseas.

We are losing our humanity if we can think of excluding the most vulnerable in our society from a basic right to safe childbirth. Surely some of the women affected by this programme are the women and children escaping the bombs in Aleppo, suffering on the perilous journey out of Syria and in make-shift refugee camps across Europe. This is utterly shocking.

Already migrant women are at risk of being treated with contempt by NHS staff and the public. One midwife reported to NHA that she was asked by a senior colleague not to give baby clothes to a migrant mother who had nothing because 'she wasn't entitled to NHS services'. What is happening to our NHS? What is happening to us, if we allow this? We are already far down the road from a universal, comprehensive and accessible public service.

There is simply no justification for the scheme introduced by St George's. In a publicly funded health service the most efficient and cost-effective system is to treat everyone.

Exclusion and denial of care in the two-tiered system being introduced across the country will cost us dear both in terms of money and at the cost of our compassion and humanity."

NHA response.

fullfact.org/health/health-tourists-how-much-do-they-cost-and-who-pays/

The government will not give freedom of information request figures.

is there a link?

you think it's easy to apply for PR and you can't even find the Home Office site by yourself??

Have a look at these forms if you think it's that easy. Would you qualify? You might be surprised
is there a link?

Britain has a reciprocal arrangement with some countries outside of the EU whereupon visitors to each other's countries can obtain emergency (not routine) treatment.
www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcareabroad/countryguide/NonEEAcountries/Pages/Non-EEAcountries.aspx

However, I would not go to any of them without adequate travel insurance.

Can I add to the people from overseas working here those employed in the arts who quite often are working as self-employed or on short term contracts for specific projects. Many have been here for years but are not employees.

As well as what trisher said, medical school grads not feeling they can have a career in the NHS because of shitty contracts and going straight to work abroad as soon as they finish (not always by choice, many feel they have no other choice) leaving medical services short of doctors…

But yeah! foreigners!

notanan please don't put Big issue sellers in the same bracket as nurses.
You're confusing me with Theresa May, I didn't make the new rules for Permanant Resident cards.

Yes you are missing a massive lack of funding for the NHS, a reorganisation that no one wanted and that made many GPs just decide to pack in medicine, and that cost a fortune, an aging population that require more medication and the abandonment of the Labour commitment that you would not have to wait more than 48 hours for an appointment. But apart from those things all but one of which can be attributed to this government no you're not.

notanan please don't put Big issue sellers in the same bracket as nurses. We all know that that was done so they could receive 'in work benefits'
I'm certainly not 'all right jack'. I now have to queue outside my surgery at 7. 30 in the morning for a same day appointment. Could that be because the uk population has grown from 59.1 million in 2000 to 65 million in 2014.
It is estimated that net migration plus births to foriegn born parents has accounted for 85% of population growth.
6 million plus extra people must have some bearing on me queueing at 7.30. Or am I missing something.

Will leave you with your massive bee in your bonnet.
And I'll leave you ignoring what's happening to our neighbours, doctors, nurses, teachers etc because it doesn't directly effect you cause you're allright jack!.

Self employed: would that be the Big Issue sellers?
yeah, or, agency nurses, private physios, small business owners, employers….
they've all had the rug pulled from under them with the retrospective application of new rules.

Have a look at these forms if you think it's that easy. Would you qualify? You might be surprised.