www.thetimes.co.uk/article/firms-must-list-foreign-workers-gw20ndp5x
Saw this report this am and my blood ran cold. Is this - lists of all foreigners - not the beginning of a very slippery slope which leads to yellow stars sewn on to clothing?
I'm wondering what constitutes a 'FOREIGNER'? Surely not my very good French born Scottish friend who has lived, worked, been married in the UK for nearly 50 years? Or the 3rd generation Asian Scots who run our local convenience store? Or the music teacher who coaches the Wee Community steel band - she's from the USA (and one of the drummers is (shock horror) German. Or the Syrian and Polish families now at school with my DGC. What about DH's Consultants? The last one was from New Zealand, the Current one is, I think, Indian. Will the Houses of Parliament have to list all the MPs and Lords who were born elsewhere.
Am I the only one to hear alarm bells ringing in my ears more loudly than usual? Have we reached a tipping point, where rampant British Nationalism is the only mantra?
"Does this include British nationals who haven't paid a penny into the NHS in years, who fly back for healthcare" If they are retirees, which many are, one could assume that they may have contributed for say 40 years or so before retiring overseas.
I'm sick to death of people getting free treatment that me and mine have paid into for years
Does that include British nationals who haven't paid a penny into the NHS in years who fly back for healthcare?
Or just non british nationals who are resident in the UK and pay into the NHS
Because passports checks do not check for NHS eligibility
NHS eligibility is rightly based on residency, not on nationality
A non british person may have more right to the NHS than a British passport holder
notanan Great, wonderful idea, long over due and I hope in time they carry this over to every procedure that people have in hospitals. I'm sick to death of people getting free treatment that me and mine have paid into for years.
Not what a lot of you want to hear, but it needs to be said. At the lowest estimate health tourism is costing £110 million a year.
Lots of hospitals have people who come to them and claim to be staying with relatives here ( and they often are) but have come over not only to visit, but to give birth here, or to receive some other treatment.Why should we give them free treatment?I ask this as a reasonable question,as our NHS is not there for the free benefit of foreign nationals.
You wouldn't find a hospital anywhere in the world that handed out medical treatment completely gratis.
Women at their most vulnerable moment should be asked for their passports?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/10/pregnant-women-could-be-forced-to-show-their-passportsat-hospita/
NHS entitlement is based on reisdency not nationality!
Asking women for their passports before they give birth is NOT checking their NHS eligibility, as you can be British and non resident and not eligible, or non british and resident!
These lists are not about what they're claiming to be about!
www.wemove.eu/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=14187&qid=15463224
To ask May to stop the inflammatory attacks on EU citizens.
Sign if you agree with it and put on facebook if you can.
Hard right reactionary policies. The UK has always prided itself on openness, tolerance and moderate policies. With luck this won't last, and common sense and a return to what is best about Britain will return.
and the hard right are still saying "oh but we'll let the hard working nurses and doctors in"
Oh that's good of you. What makes you think they'll want to come now that Britain isn't the exciting fun open place it used to be?
That's why my sons' partners are not applying. They have both been involved in educating English children for 15-20 years, and think they have proved they are part of the community.
They do not see why they should pay all that to have a piece of paper to show they know more about our government and country than the vast majority of British people.
That's very brave.
I wouldn't be that brave.
I agree with and admire their point, but if I was settled with a partner and/or children and a life here, I would be getting all my ducks in a row right about now!
The HO has and does tear families up.
Hard right reactionary policies. The UK has always prided itself on openness, tolerance and moderate policies. With luck this won't last, and common sense and a return to what is best about Britain will return.
www.theguardian.com/education/2016/oct/08/boycottschoolcensus-why-parents-are-refusing-to-reveal-their-childs-nationality
These thinks aren't happening in isolation
wih the changes to the school census (and before anyone suggests it, NO! collecting nationality and dual national data is NOT about providing for ESL, because English as second language data was already accurately collected in the old style school census) added on to this employer thing… it's now past the point of a "conspiracy theory"
Because in order for it to be a "conspiracy theory", it has to be speculation. This is now actually happening openly!
Foreign nationals ,means anyone that isn't British either by birth or marriage.
Oh that's not enough to not be "one of them" any more
This year for the first year school census is asking for numbers on DUAL nationals, and nationals born outside of the uk
so it's not enough to be legitimately British any more, you have to be pure british to not count in the "other" numbers!
It was all rubbish when they said "we welcome people who integrate". So people integrated, got their residencey, and then got (and paid £1k for) citizenship thorugh naturalisation, and did everything they were told they should do if they wanted to be the "right" kind of welcome foreigner…… and now they're being counted as "other" anyway!
Oh and FWIW citizenship through marraige only exists on paper now, in practice it doesn't give any advantage in the naturalisation process, so having a british family doesn't really qualify you as not "other" now either
And because they now want to count dual citizens as "other" (even though they are FULL british citizens, just also full citizens elsewhere too), then it's not enough to be born and raised here to british parents, if you have a foreign grandparent through whom you have dual citizenship, you're "other" too!
That's why my sons' partners are not applying. They have both been involved in educating English children for 15-20 years, and think they have proved they are part of the community.
They do not see why they should pay all that to have a piece of paper to show they know more about our government and country than the vast majority of British people.
Not surprised they have backed down on this daft idea. The Tories are always saying they will "cut red tape" to businesses and Ms Rudd seemed to be galloping off inventing yet another version of it. And an arduous one at that.
Maybe next week she'll suggest issuing gold star badges to be worn at all times by those who are not UK nationals.
Someone I know, who is fluent in 2 UK languages, is now applying for UK ciizenship. Her home is here. Her UK partner died and since the referendum feels would like to feel secure here and to have a vote in all elections. it is costing her "thick end of £2k" (she is not well off) and she is having to jump through the hoops of 2 silly tests that most of us would fail.
Just like the Mikado- "I've got a little list- they never will be missed."
Speaking as the OP I am happy that my 'scaremongering' may have contributed in some small way to this change of heart. As I said on here last Wednesday @ 17:20:43 -
"If, as you say, this is still at the consultation stage, then surely this is the time when we should speak out against it?"
Would today's about turn have happened if there had not been such a strong (perhaps OTT) reaction against the original proposal on facebook, twitter etc?
Off now to campaign against the arbitrary overturning by Central Government of the local refusal to allow fracking in Leicestershire and to celebrate the sucess of the campaign which has led to the Scottish Government banning UGE under the Forth and Tay Estuaries.
Dont forget hackers. All those handy lists.
I cant help thinking there is something slightly sinister about it.
I am not sure on my thoughts about it.
It has to be slightly uneasy when the government of the day/moment says this, and you know your employer is going to fill in a form and return it saying you are Polish or whatever.
It won't be published, there will be no naming and shaming of companies( not that the idea was to shame anyway.) The data is confidential.For all the outraged of Orpington ( yes, Petra it may well have been Kenny Everett 
) do you all realise how much data there is 'out there' on all of us? Data gathering of this type is nothing new.
what about 4th generation greek/scot and 2nd generation russian/english with ahild born in northen ireland ? yikes
The data will still be collected.
Cant see that much difference really between publishing and not publishing.
Has anyone seen Amber Rudd on television today?
Everyone else seems to be saying she was wrong, but I haven't seen her.
It is happening, just not publicly
Justine Greening, the education secretary, announced on Sunday that companies will not be made to publish the data as suggested by the home secretary, Amber Rudd, during the Conservative party conference.
She said the information would be confidential and instead used by the government to identify skills shortages, rather than to “name and shame” businesses that rely on foreign employees.
If you hadn't posted that link, the thread could have gone on for a lot longer...Spoilsport!
They tested the water, hoping for a positive vibe, realised the reaction and scuttled back to think again. Not easy this immigrant problem is it? Well it isn't if you don't approach it with sense and honesty.
Nearly 250 posts on something that wasn't going to happen, eh?
Why didn't you tell us earlier; it would have saved a lot of aggravation.
It took four days for Amber Rudd to realise that. You could have told her it wasn't going to happen, too.
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