Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

'They object to Stop the War because we refuse to support military intervention, whether through bombing, troops on the ground, or militarised no fly zones, as this will only make the situation worse. We condemn all bombing, whether from Syria, Russia, the U.S. or the UK, since the victims of such actions are the ordinary civilians. The consequences of bombing and intervention have not only been devastation for the peoples concerned but the growth of terrorism and far greater instability.'

The link was yesterday.

I listened to the debate, when I read the Stop The War posted here I was confused, the debate was on protests not on more bombing, and that kink was of a rally held days ago . Seems demonstrating outside the Russian embassy isn't acceptable for some , and any old link can be posted to defend Corbyn

Yesterday in Parliament Conservative Andrew Mitchell brought forward an Emergency Debate on 'Allepo and Syria'.

Boris Johnson was responding to a speech made by Labour MP Anne Clwyd , she said this.

Anne Clwyd Labour. 2.00pm. (Extracts)

" That is the question: where is the rage? Where are the demonstrations that we have seen on so many previous occasions—I have taken part in them myself—for example on Iraq, East Timor and Cambodia. Where are those demonstrations now? I want to see—I challenge the people listening to this debate—2 million, 3 million or 4 million people outside the Russian embassy day after day. Let us show them what we think of their actions in Syria and their refusal to bring peace to that country. Russia used carpet bombing tactics in Grozny, and we all know what happened there. The west cannot stay silent, because we know how this could end."

"I therefore call once again on everyone who cares about the plight of Syrian civilians to picket the Russian embassy in London and its embassies in capitals around the world from today. Two million, 3 million, 4 million people—it can be done, and it has been done in the past. That should carry on until the bombing campaign stops and all the relevant players are forced to get around the table to end this horrible war."

Boris Johnson

" I listened to the passionate speeches from the right hon. Member for Cynon Valley (Ann Clwyd) and the hon. Member for Wirral South (Alison McGovern), the co-chair of the all-party friends of Syria group, who is carrying on the tradition of Jo Cox, whom we mourn. I listened to all the speeches that made the point that there is no commensurate horror among some of the anti-war protest groups, and I agree with the right hon. Member for Cynon Valley: I would certainly like to see demonstrations outside the Russian embassy. Where is the Stop the War coalition at the moment?"

Yes Johnson said it but the 'context' of why does not sell papers or make headline news for the public I suppose.

It was good to hear and see the courtesy of the debate was upheld by both sides of the house but it was noticeable back bench Labour MP's involved were nowhere near the front bench, in fact there was little love for Emily Thornberry and I think the topic of Defence will continue to divide Labour.

Of course they could be deselected by the next election as they are 'The Naughty Squad' in some Labour Members eyes, the ones called 'Core Group Negative' /'Hostile' on Corbyn's List such as Alison McGovern, John Woodcock, Mary Creagh, Hilary Benn.

Actually Jo Cox was was classed as 'Core Group Negative' and obviously was not a Corbyn backer so I am not surprised her husband has taken up the mantle so to speak on her behalf, indeed as others did yesterday during the debate.

www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news-comment/2206-stop-the-war-conference-more-western-bombs-won-t-help-2

Then why doesn't Stop The War just fold up?

Putin was on the news saying the same as Corbyn !

Hmm. Boris Johnson in diplomatic kerfuffle because he has urged people to demonstrate outside the Russian embassy. Since when did Foreign Secretaries urge people to demonstrate outside embassies? (help me out? Any examples anyone?)
Meanwhile the Head of Stop the War Coalition against a demonstration - "there's no point". (BBC R4 News at 6pm)

I am beginning to think Labour under Corbyn is trying to get into bed with Russia. this is taking vote-defying idealism too far. These people on the far left should not it be H.M.Opposition. They are a disgrace to the Parliamentary system.

Should read: is mine.

Communist slogan: Come the revolution brother, the Rolls Royce mine.

Petra, I was shocked when I read Corbyns views on it

Anniebach I've just been reading that Re Joe cox's husband. How far from reality can Corbyns crew get.

Blast , our treasurer has left the party now, at this rate our meetings will consist of four labour councillors and me.

There are many who want the Labour party to back away from the far left politics of Corbyn, sadly more and more are leaving the party .

How can a voter with left wing beliefs be a floating voter, will they find left wing policies in the Tory Party, IKIP Party, Lib Party ?,

For a floating voter trisher you seem fully dedicated to the far left, there is a home in the communist party for far left voters,

I would not have defined a working man who reads, learns and believes in education as an 'intellectual socialist', communist or not.

Corbyn has caused the widower of Jo Cox much anger with his refusal to condemn Russian attacks , Corbyn does not agree with Stop The War demonstrations at the Russian Embassy .

X posts Jalima

That should read ' not only you that misunderstands'

trisher... are you serious that ' the reason UKIP are winning votes is because Labour are shilly-shallying on the right edge of Labour' ?
It's because they are shilly-shallying on the Left.It's not only you that misunderstands what a lot of Labour voters want either, and you and they, are confusing Labour voters with vociferous Labour party members ( wanting hard left politics.)
Corbyn and friends are out of touch with real people outside that 'rally bubble.'

anniebach I did not mean to add fuel to the fire, you are a better person than me.

trisher as far as I can tell from the mood of any Labour voters I know (very few compared to others I will admit) they fear that Labour has swung so far to the left that they will never get in again for years and have no hope of implementing any of the policies that make for a fairer Britain. That is not to say that the people I know agreed with the Blair government (they loathed him) but that there must be some way back to a decent, sensible, united Labour party that is between these two extremes and for which the traditional Labour voters will vote.

They can't see that happening any time soon.
one has to get out there and listen to voters - they are not being listened to.

she winds me up and I can't help taking the p* out of her
you may be quite nice in RL trisher but quite honestly your posts are really unpleasant.
Amazing that some people get banned for less.

The constant condemnation of intellectual socialism amuses me as well. One of the best read people I have ever known was my grandfather who was a docker and regarded education as the most important thing in life. He was also a communist.

Yes I voted Lib Dem when Blair took us into an illegal war and the LIb Dems promised to abolish student loans. Seemed to me at the time that the Labour party was veering significantly to the right and I could not support a party that ignored the huge Peace protest I was part of.
Annie I have lived in social housing and in private rentals.
I don't doubt that people have worries about housing, schools and jobs, but exactly the same arguments were being used 80 years ago against Jews as are now being used against immigrants. There needs to be a concerted effort to address these issues by speaking out for internationalism and real socialist policies. The reason UKIP are winning votes is because Labour are shilly shallying on the edge of right wing politics. If someone offers you a plastic duck for a pet and there is a real live one there as well you'll go for the real duck, which is why people vote Conservative or UKIP instead of Labour. If you are offered a real choice between 2 live animals it's harder to choose.
It isn't a question of telling the voter what they want but of showing a real alternative where there might be some change.
It amuses me that Annie thinks I am a member of Momentum I have said before I'm a floating voter with left wing beliefs.

Agree Beam, telling the voter what they should want doesn't win votes , listening to them and understanding their needs and concerns may

I live in a market town, should I tell people in inner cities what they need ? I think not

I think the Country is sick of intellectual politics, seeing them as the province of the chattering classes. It is no good people like Chakrobati et al talking about equality and socialism while sending their children to private schools - it just will not wash.
I watched Marie le Pen on "Hardtalk" last night, talking in the same common-sense way that is winning the vote for right-wing politics. Ukip also tell people what they want to know that all the intellectual arguments and talk of public education will not touch that. As an educated woman, I can see through their arguments but millions of voters will not.