Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

The socialist party were campaigning at the Momentum conference last week to deselect labour MP's , they were on the pavement right outside the hall and were interviewed for BBC news and C4 news

I remember Jen saying she had told Momentum if they removed their request for no violence she did not want thrm to mail her again.

Iam, you are so right, one has to get out there and listen to voters , I geared the same as you when I canvassed for the grneral election and this years Welsh Assembly elections . UKIP are working hard in Wales , the strong labour seats, they are quite confident they can increase their dupport. They are also doing the same in the north of England . People have genuine concerns and to ignore them or lecture them will only increase the UKIP vote

trisher

May I ask you a question which is intriguing me, you may or may not decide to answer.

Have you not posted you voted Lib Dem? Or am I mixing you up with another poster?

durhamjen Tue 11-Oct-16 21:01:43
THEY CAN'T COME BACK IF THEY ARE MEMBERS OF MILITANT.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT!

They can't be members of MILITANT as MILITANT was a Trotskyist group that morphed into The Socialist Party in 1997.

Anniebach is correct in talking of those who were 'once' in Militant , the likes of Hatton, Peter Taaffe, Livingstone wanting to 'rejoin' the Labour Party .

I keep noting you say you are not a member of Momentum. What made you change your mind as I distinctly remember engaging with you after you were promoting Momentum and I said I was interested in those behind Momentum. What changed your mind?

I leafletted anu door knocked for the LP in the last general and more recent local elections, as well as supporting the remain campaign locally. We have a good labour MP, less good labour led council. What ordinary people said linked to lack of employment, over crowded schools, diminishing public services including day care / family centres for the old, the young, people with mental health problems. Concern about the impact of immigration on those issues, particularly housing, health and education was a constant theme.
Those concerns came from people who would largely have been labour voters but were leaning towards ukip. our area voted Leave.
Annie is correct imo in saying that the LP has to appeal to those people, who blame it for the increase in immigration and their belief this is undermining opportunities for them.

Yes I do understand people's fears of immigration, and lecturing a person on human rights will bring the response - what of my human rights ? You cannot allay fears by lecturing , fears have to be understood, accepted and eased with reassurance.

Do you live in social housing? I do.

Have you lived in a private let and suffered bullying? I have.

Have you listened to people who are against immigration ? I have.

You just do not seem to listen to those who you disagree with trisher

Are Corbyns sons in need of housing? No , many, many people's children are

Are his sins unemployed ? No, one actually works for him just as Neil Hamiltons wife is paid to work for him, there was uproar when it was disclosed the wife of I.DS. Wife worked for him, I am against this, these jobs should be advertised .

If there is no fairness at the top what hope for those at the bottom?

Lecturing people on human rights is a waste if time, explain to people that immigrants can be a benefit as well as benefit .

Lecturing on human rights hasn't done a damn thing for those poor people in The Jungle has it,

I cannot remember if it was you or another poster who declared people needed to be educated, what cheek ,

Trying to change the world into a huggy, kissy world hasn't worked from the dawn of day.

So you lecture on freedom and human rights, I will continue to listen , understand and discuss

Ok here we go on policies.
Sometime ago you said you understood about people feeling threatened by immigrants, do you still think that? If so what is your response to the free movement of people? I believe in it because I do not believe that this is what is responsible for the state of our economy, the housing crisis or the crisis with school places. I think exactly the same arguments are being used against immigrants as were once used against Jews and the only person I can see speaking out or advocating free movement is Corbyn. I think the only way to counter people's fears is to actively speak out for freedom and human rights.

You can help taking the p* out of me, it's a choice trisher,

attempting a discussion is pointless , if I disagree you stamp your foot and reply with insult or mockery.

How many times must I say I fear the rise of the far right, I do not believe the answer to fighting it is by turning far left , the country will not want a far left government, it's what you want but it is not what the majority want and it's the majority who will elect the next government .

I am a pacifist, I want nuclear warefare ended but I have to accept the majority do not, they feel safer with it. I can rant against it every damn day , it will not change the views of the majority . You want to ignore them, elections are never won this way .

if I could I would bring every child from The Jungle here , I cannot, I can only send what aid I can, support those who are fighting to save them and pray for them.

There has to be compromise in politics and I am willing to compromise so the vunerable can be helped . Standing on the high moral ground does not house thr homeless or feed the poor.

I have never said Corbyn is evil, I hsve said I agree with Margaret Hodge when she said - I thought he was an honourable man, now I realise he is a devious man .

Trisher, he has been in parliment since 1983, he must know what the voters want yet he wants to stick rigidly to what he wants regardless .

But that seems to be the basis for Annie's argumentsIam64 that she has some special relationship, that Corbyn is the devil incarnate and anyone who supports him is a member of Momentum. She may have, he isn't and I am certainly not. But she won't move the discussion on to policies or any other reasonable basis. I do think that something is needed. I see the rise of right wing politics in this country and in others as a huge threat. I would like the Labour party to stand against this. To represent as it has in the past the idea that everyone regardless of race, religion, country of origin, age or any other distinction, be accorded the same human rights. That it is an anti-war party and is against the proliferation of weapons. If Annie would like to discuss this instead of slagging off personalities I would find her less irritating, as it is she winds me up and I can't help taking the p* out of her.

durhamjen, I have read many posts suggesting that those who support the way the Labour party is being led currently is a move back to the 80's. I've posted similar comments myself because like others, I lived through that period. I supported Michael Foot who was a decent, honourable man. I don't have the same admiration for Jeremy Corbyn, nor the Dianne Abbot or John McDonnell and have said that on the various threads you refer to. I usually avoid getting into pointless and often personal disagreements on gransnet but I do feel the personal attacks on anniebach are so unpleasant I said so.
I'm interested in discussing the reasons why so many life long Labour party members and supporters are unhappy with the current leadership whilst many are pleased with the move to the left. I 've lost the enthusiasm for that given what I do see as bullying of one person. Annie has always referred to her family connections to well known Labour figures from the past. There is no need for any of us to respond to that if we don't like it.

Jen, I said Corbyns politics were of the eighties by sharing his political ambitions you are choosing politics of the eighties, that is not an insult or mocking, it's fact.

I have had enough, in a very sensitive mood

Mention that ? mocking by calling Kinnock my uncle, I did not choose to be born and brought up in a constituency close to Neil's constituency, I did choose to become a Labour party member, I did choose to accept appointments on Welsh labour committees, I did choose to canvass in Mid Wales, South Wales and West Wales, I did not choose which MP's came to these constituencies to canvass for the party, I did choose to attended party conferences, I did not choose who I was introduced to, I did not choose my parents friends in politics, I did choose to accept them as friends.

Just ignore my posts Jen, but that would prevent you from bullying snd mocking wouldn't it ?

Iam, perhaps you ought to look at other threads where some of us have been accused of living in the 80s, being trots and militants, just for supporting Corbyn.
If as you say, Hatton and Galloway have not changed their views, they will not be allowed back into the Labour party. I have said that lots of times but still get accused of being a member of Momentum and wanting to let them back in.
That's why I shouted it, as she wasn't listening.

Annie spends lots of time telling us of her credentials in the Labour Party, all the friends she has. She says Neil Kinnock is her friend, tells us about all the MPs she has met and had discussions with. Why should we not mention that?

I have and am being bullied and wish to say I have not received bullying from those of the right and right of centre , and centre left, it has all come from the far left posters , which proves my point on far left and militants never changing their spots .

I'm surprised you find it funny that right-leaning GN members are 'entertained' by bullying behaviour, Jess. What an odd assumption.

What's with the sudden popularity of the word 'coterie'? It's like the word 'prejudice' on another thread - suddenly everyone's using it!

Even funnier is the coterie of right-leaning cheer-leaders that are being kept entertained.

I've been away and have just caught up with the last 4 pages of this thread. I may be naive but i'm genuinely just a bit surprised at the level of animosity being directed at anniebach. I've had my share of on line disagreements with annie, who expresses her views strongly but honestly, SHOUTING in capitals, accusing her of "rambling again" and making persistently unpleasant comments about "your friend/your Uncle Neil"
Is it necessary to be so unpleasant and aggressive to one poster who has shifted her views on Jeremy, been very open and clear about the why's and wherefore's of that change of mind. Asking anniebach whether she s living in the eighties, whether Hatton and Galloway have/or are allowed to change their views etc - all in a very confrontational manner does seem a bit over the top.
By the way, there is no evidence that either Hatton or Galloway have changed their views and become more balanced, likeable individuals than they were before.

Annie do you actually have a sense of humour? I find your posts hilarious in their dogged determination to prove Corbyn is the devil incarnate with no redeeming characteristics. Even funnier is your belief that I have somehow only learned about socialism from books and have no family history. I rarely post about my family, it is my personal business and I prefer not to share.
I don't believe Corbyn is perfect I do think he offers the best hope for left wing politics.
But then I believed the same about Blair at one point. I was proved wrong there, I may be again.
I'm open minded, a pity you aren't

Jen, following your forgiving nature I can assume you would say the same of Blair if ever he gives his opinion on party matters

Yes Jen, I can understand that,,pity you hadn't said same in your first reply to a civil question.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/168657

For Libdems wanting a say. About PR.

THEY CAN'T COME BACK IF THEY ARE MEMBERS OF MILITANT.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

Do you know what they are like now or are you still living in the eighties?
Are they not allowed to have changed their views?
If they have changed and agree to the Labour Party membership rules, then like anyone else they should be allowed to rejoin.
Or does your friend Neil have permanent control over who is and is not a member?

Jen, you are deliberately trying to cause trouble, please stop, I have stressful week ahead and my sense if humour will not be as strong as usual

My question to you

Quote - do you want Galloway, Hutton back? unquote. But I am. sure you remember really Jen , you just want a disagreement