Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

Well in that case some could be said to be ' obsessed ' with Theresa May, some may have been ' obsessed ' with Cameron, .

Is ' obsession ' in that case an applicable word? Would that not be a suitable word that could be tagged on to others and would they like it, I doubt it.

There are some posters with an avid interest in politics some who care not a jot. Those who do however are prepared to debate, discuss and make their view known but it is a sad state of affairs to call them 'obsessive' unless of course the word is being used to try and belittle .

But, POGs, parents can't make a choice.

Apart from a handful of areas, such as Essex (Colchester and Chelmsford), Devon (Colyton) and Liverpool (Bluecoat), where there are a handful of grammar schools, which do not significantly affect the comprehensives, parents do NOT have a choice.

Areas such as Kent, Wirral and Lincolnshire, have a fully selective system. Those who don't pass the 11+ (the majority) have no choice at all. They go to a secondary modern (sometimes masquerading as comprehensives) and that's it. Those who pass the 11+ could in theory refuse to take up the place, but they'd be bonkers to do so, because able children would not be in a school which could offer them an appropriate education.

Most proper comprehensives can educate every child appropriately. There are all sorts of reason why so many comprehensives don't have a full range of ability, including the existence of schools using backdoor selection policies, so why make the situation worse?

Corbyn is NOT saying that able children shouldn't be given an appropriate curriculum, because they can receive that in comprehensives. Why introduce all the disadvantages of a selective system, when there are almost no advantages, which are in any case limited to a small minority?

This is pandering to Ukip deserters, pure and simple.

Jen please apologise for stating I was pleased at the loss of three labour council seats, you lied

I like the appointment of Keir Starmer in the Brexit job.
He'll run rings round the brexiteers.

Does Corbyn get any kudos for having so many women in the shadow cabinet?
Last year he was criticised for not having any in the top jobs.
Can't say that now.

Anniebach it seems that you are the one who is obsessed with Corbyn.

But we do not make the rules/laws.
Just say we don't want them.

I have an idea of the ideal system which would suit everyone.

My grandchildren have all been to comprehensives, as have my children.
My autistic grandson went to a comprehensive. He has said he would like to go to a school if it was small like the primary school, so he knew everyone, and nobody would bully him.
He went from a two form entry primary to a nine form entry comprehensive. He couldn't cope.
His mother went to a school in Denmark which went through from start to finish in the same school with the same friends in the same class, except when they reached 16 when they chose whether to follow the language or science stream. It would probably have suited him much more.
They had smaller classes, something which private school parents pay for. If private schools were closed, those parents would ensure that all children had the same privileges that they want for their children. What's wrong with wanting that?
Unfortunately, it will never happen as long as there are School Wars, the title of Melissa Benn's excellent book.

Parents do make their own choice. Unfortunately, there's too much choice in our system, because those at the top do not want anything other than the historic mess that means that the rich get the best choice.

63 resigned from the labour shadow cabinet in the summer, six have returned , and to hrlp unity Corbyn sacked Rosie Winterton who has been working hard to heal the rifts in the party, I assume Corbyn was concerned so got shot of her , or knew that sacking her would widen the rift

Jen, two seats in a very strong labour area was of little interest, if two seats had been won by lsbour from snother party I would have posted that. I posted of a change in seats by three smaller parties,

Would I post to say Merthyr the birthplace of the lsbour party had voted labour ? No , it has been labour for over 100 years , think it would be classed as stating the bloody obvious

Your apology please for stating I was pleased at Labour 's loss of seats , I take your insults but will not accept you telling such a lie

Durhamjen 14.19

I am not criticising your choice to Homeschool your grandson!

You have told us many a time how you choose to so, what you teach him etc. You have elected to be very open about the fact. My point is is you choose to do so because it works well for your family circumstance and nobody should tell you otherwise, I certainly am not, however you may twist my post. I can be accused of criticising your belief others should not have a choice but that it is a different matter.

You also said this 14.59

"I don't understand Jalima. Corbyn does not want grammar schools. I don't want grammar schools.
We don't want them because you cannot have grammar schools and comprehensives.
What's wrong with that? Quite simple really."

Well maybe you and Corbyn and a lot of others don't but my point is who the hell are you, Corbyn and some others to tell others they should abide by your rules.

What is ' quite simple ' is for parents to make their own choice and if you or others would elect not to go to this/that or tuther school then don't send your children or grandchildren there, 'quite simple'.

There wer two byelections in Caerphilly, you agree. They were won by Labour, you agree?
So why did you not mention them, along with the other ones I mentioned?
You mentioned three that were lost, but not the four that were won. Sounds like bias against Labour to me.

I meant to the North of Leicester, POGS, because you said it being London-centric.
I chose Leicester because it is central. If I'd said Northern there would have been some debate about where the North started.
There's one from Derby, too, but lots from Yorkshire and the North East.
This list was before Ashworth's appointment had been mentioned, so that's another one.

I think one reason there are so many from London is because there are so many Labour MPs from London.

Jonathan Ashworth is off the NEC, already replaced by a Corbyn supporter. Corbyn was determined to get Ashworth off the NEC, it now stands Corbhn has a supporters majority on the NEC, yep a man of principle !

Jen posted of seats won by Labour in .caerphilly, to my knowledge there were two bi elections, one was won by a candidate for standing Welsh Labour , anyway hardly wins, always have been labour, the divide seems to be widening if a candidate stands for Welsh Labour not Labour

Durhamjen Fri 07-Oct-16 12:43:27

POGS, I counted 13 MPs from North of Leicester in the shadow cabinet.

Can you you tell me who they are please. I can only see 1 Leicestershire MP Jonathan Ashworth, Leicester South. He has been appointed Shadow Health Secretary BUT there is some concern as this ' may ' lead to him having to resign from the National Executive Committee. Hmmmm.

Some say given Ashworths past feelings about Corbyn the goal was to obtain a place on the NEC and if the last vote was anything to go by it will won by a Corbyn supporter.

Or did you not mean North Leicestershire MP's but Northern MP's .

I am not being pedantic just making an observation as to the reason why Leicester came to your mind in a personal post to me as a few days ago you asked where I lived and when I did not respond you said 'hey ho'.

If it is Northern MP's then I agree the reshuffle has been spread out but I cannot help but note there is still a very close knit London- centric Shadow Cabinet.

Cameron was mocked for his Eton / Posh Boys Cabinet but I think Corbyn is keeping his pals very close to him also and it will follow him around the same as it did Cameron.

Jen, msy I have your explanation for posting a false allegation against me please? You have gone too far with that accusation

Annie, where did I mention Corbyn when saying that labour had won some seats, which you omitted to mention?
Why is that an obsession with Corbyn?

By the way, the thread is about Corbyn, so mentioning him could be forgiven, couldn't it? Even though I didn't.

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/10/pm-tells-bbc-she-wants-to-help-working-class-families-but-could-not-say-how-shed-do-it/
May was asked about how she would help the poor, and all she could talk about was grammar schools.

I am with trisher on this

Or Grammar schools.

Then some of them do the same thing and send their own offspring to private schools!

Exactly POGS and nobody would care if the left didn't pontificate about private schools.

There is a difference between allowing private education which comes out of an individual's pocket and therefore does not have any effect on the state sector and funding selection which means that some money is channeled into small grammar schools which cater for a minority. How can Labour be telling people they can't send their children to private schools when many of their members do so? What they want is equality of opportunity throughout the state sector.

Changing the subject..... when Dianne Abbot was quizzed by Andrew Neil on the Daily Politics ( about her comment that 'West Indian Mums would go to the wall for
their children') he gave her an opportunity to say that of course, ALL Mums would, white, asian etc.but all she would say over and over again was 'Andrew, Andrew, I have nothing new to add' so that is obviously her excuse for being a socialist and sending son to a private school.

Daphnedil

"I don't get the message that most Labour politicians 'tell' people where to send their children to school. I think that's a myth peddled by right-wingers."

Of course they do when they say they don't believe in sending children to public/private /grammer schools. If that's not ' telling ' somebody how 'they' want other peoples children to be educated then I don't know what it implies.