Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

Corbyn went to work in Jamaica when he was nineteen, when he came back he lived in London, he did attend a polytechnic there but didn't finish the course because he disagreed with the cariculum set by the tutors

"Mr Corbyn does not want that type of education to be available nowadays for anyone"

Exactly that - the type of education being Selective Education.

A Grammar School Education As Provided by Adams Grammar School In Newport, Shropshire, Which Has An Entrance Examination Which Some Children May Fail.

Is that clear enough?

Or did you not read the whole post, only bits of it? Or select certain bits for whatever reason?

Yes, we know your children were lucky enough to have an excellent, academic education; however what we should be aiming for is for every pupil to achieve to the utmost of their ability; however not all are suited to an academic education, it is foolish to claim otherwise, and a good comprehensive school should provide the best for all abilities.

I am not arguing against that. Nor am I saying that JC does not want that either, I am saying that HE DOES NOT WANT GRAMMAR SCHOOLS.

Or have I misunderstood his message as you seem to have misunderstood mine?

Your words: "Mr Corbyn does not want that type of education to be available nowadays for anyone"

I don't think I'm hallucinating.

That is absolute nonsense!
You must have read something that wasn't there ddil - are you ?

I said that Jeremy Corbyn does not want grammar schools like the one that he went to, or the one he refused to allow his son to attend.

I said nothing whatsoever about not having an academic education at a comprehensive school, many do, and some, like Jeremy Corbyn, fail to achieve academic excellence at grammar schools or independent schools.

Twist and Shout

He did a lot of good work in this town and round about and he earned, yes earned, lots of respect for all his hard work.
Yorkshiregel I would be interested to know what Jeremy Corbyn's 'good works' were round and about his home town as I thought he left to go to Polytechnic at the age of 18.
I don't remember, but then I am a just a bit older then Jeremy.

@Jalima

That is absolute nonsense! I don't have a lot of time for Jeremy Corbyn, but claiming he does not want an academic education for anyone is absolute rubbish. I went to an academic direct grant school and my children had an education just as academic and aspirational as I did. Comprehensives can provide that kind of education - they don't need hundreds of years of history and tradition to do it.

Anniebach just repeating the same things again and again is 'slagging off" criticism requires a reasoned and thoughtful debate.

Nick Brown is the new shadow whip. Is he there to provide balance? never a strong supporter of Corbyn he is much closer to Gordon Brown but not a Blairite. Can he hold the party together?

POGS Mr Corbyn's parents were left-wing activists but his mother taught in a girls' grammar school. Perhaps things were different then.

Yorkshiregel
Mr Corbyn on the other hand is a principled man and good luck to him. At least he is honest. I live in the same town he was brought up in and I can tell you that the school he went to is one of the best in the country, and it is oversubscribed. The streets are full of cars come entrance exam day. It teaches respect for others, compassion, it sends pupils out to do good works around the town, it frowns on bullies and the exam results are amazingly good.
I am from near there too, and Adams Grammar is a good school, but unfortunately Mr Corbyn does not want that type of education to be available nowadays for anyone, hence his refusal to allow his own son to attend the grammar school local to where he lives. Hence a split from his wife due to his principles, and his ex-wife sent their son to the grammar school anyway.
Perhaps yes to principled, but he would never hold Adams to be a shining example of schools today.

Seems some think criticism is slagging off , how strange

So if a child cannot pass an exam, they don't get a choice? That doesn't seem very fair.

The fact is that very few parents do get a choice. If you live in an area with grammar schools, most parents of bright children will opt for their children to be educated along with other children of similar ability. The other schools in the area are secondary moderns, whether or not they choose to call themselves comprehensives.

On the other hand, if there are no grammar schools, parents will have to send their children to the same school, where bright children can do just as well. Compare the statistics I posted with Adams' Grammar School and the comprehensive, where my children went to school. They're almost identical and my children's former school has a wider range of ability, so is actually achieving higher results for its pupils, given their starting point.

My children's former school is one of the biggest in the country. It has nearly 600 in the sixth form alone. It most certainly did not put more emphasis on low achievers and most emphatically did not teach to a lower standard. It is able to provide an appropriate education for every child.

Yorkshiregirl, what goes on in your family is your choice , what goes on in mine is our choice

There can be no comprehensive schools while there are private and grammar schools to cream off the brightest.

POGS, my grandson is not at homeschool because he is the brightest.
If the school could cope with him, we would love him to go to it, as it's where all his friends go.
He went to a large comprehensive where he had to run through 1500 other kids every day, and he was in tears, scared that he would be late.
We teach him because we can, having a whole gamut of expertise.
Please feel free to criticise.

By the way, you started this thread about the shadow cabinet. Once again it has deteriorated into slagging off Corbyn, and given Anniebach another excuse to trot out the same old prejudices.

You mentioned that Corbyn's new cabinet contained the same old London elite.
I pointed out how many were from the north.
You appear to have chosen to ignore that.

Corbyn is not a man of principles , he is against The Lords but sends someone there.

He ran a campaign in the eighties to bring back Militants who had damaged the party and been expelled .

He called Hamas friends but when questioned by the select committee changed his mind and these friends were no longer friends

He sat in silence whilst one of his own female MP's was bullied by a member of his support group Momentum, this happened at a meeting to announce the outcome of the anti semitism investigation, the MP is a Jew, his reason for staying silent ? I wasn't the chairman, he was filmed straight after the meeting enjoying a chat and laughter with the bully.

He claims he was working with the party during the Brexit campaign but refused to take part in one tv debate and even went on holiday

He lied about no seats on the train

Excuses have been posted over and over for these by Corbyn devotees , doesn't work

Jalima the Conservatives certainly recognise the desire for private education-sometimes without the ability to pay-that's what the grammar school revival is all about.

Thank you for pointing out what 'WE' meant Annie....I think I have grasped the concept. However, grandparents are not the ones who give permission that is the parents job.

There is a thread accusing GNers of being misandrists, the misogyny on this thread certainly balances that out. No mention of any of the men appointed but personal and unwarranted attacks on the women.

Send your kids to private schools something most of middle England aspire to
Really? I'm not so sure about that.
I do have a few friends who sent their children to private school (not Eton!). Some because their jobs took them abroad and their children stayed at boarding school here in the UK (paid for by their employers), a couple of others (both teachers at state schools) who worked to be able to afford the school fees for their own offspring.

Otherwise, most of the people I know sent their children to local state schools although some of them could have afforded to pay for private education.
We couldn't have afforded the fees anyway, so Hobson's choice.

Everyone will have to watch what they say now, as if they even breathe out of turn. Diane Abbott will call them racist.

daphnedill what I believe is that every parent of any child who can pass an entrance exam should be able to send their child to the school of their choice. Whether that be a Grammar School or a Comprehensive or a Secondary school. They do not have that choice at the moment. Increasing the number of Grammar schools would help to give it to them. I am not against any kind of school. I went to a Secondary modern myself, My eldest went to a Comprehensive at first but we moved him because when we went to parents evening the teacher who taught him maths said he was 'great at algebra, he had never done algebra in his life, we got another report from someone who said he was his form teacher and it turned out that he was not even in that form. Comprehensive schools can be too big and put more emphasis on the underachievers than the brighter children, which means they teach to the lower standard and leave those who can cope alone. Parents should have the choice at the end of the day.

Yorksiregel, I was asked by a friend to put my grandson up for the exam, I passed the request to his parents , WE discussed it , I passed the decision to the friend who had suggested it . I did not make the decision on my own , it was joint, this is what WE means

Corbyn is against Grammar Schools in principal because not everyone has the equal chance to go to them. He believes everyone should have the same opportunity which is not the case at the moment. If every town had one, but they don't, then it would be an equal playing field. If the state schools were as good, but some are not, then it would be different. Maybe he feels guilty, I do not know. Like I said before he is a man of principals.

Good grief! I'm not 'unwashed'. It seems some people have a giant chip on their shoulder.

Anyway, I've lost track of this conversation. There seem to be a few separate discussions going on simultaneously and I'm lost.

These are not my words Annie they are yours:

Anniebach Fri 07-Oct-16 10:23:02
Thanks Petra, I agree with you, and not because I am anti Corbyn . I have said I was widowed young with two little girls, I was offered places for them in the Convent school, couldn't have afforded the fees and was not R C, it was an act of Christian love from the Nuns, I refused and my girls went to the Comp . Years later I was asked by the priest of the boys public school here - yes he was a friend to put my grandson forward to sit the scholarship exam , we refused .