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Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

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POGS Thu 06-Oct-16 19:48:07

Well this could be interesting.

Rosie Winterton sacked from Chief Whips position and Nick Brown back in the Cabinet again. Baroness Shami Chakrabarti has done very well since joining Labour she is now Shadow Attorney General and Dianne Abbot Shadow Home Secretary, Dawn Butler Shadow Minority Ethnic Communities, Sarah Champion Shadow Women and Equalities Minister and Jo Stevens Shadow Secretary of State for Wales.

It will be interesting to see if any who signed 'No Confidence' in Corbyn can/will be in Corbyn's reshuffled Cabinet Team. Time for 'Unity'?

POGS Fri 07-Oct-16 12:03:26

Bonjour

I am interested in the choice of the Shadow Cabinet not the gender to be honest.

1) Can Labour unite with Corbyn's reshuffled cabinet? (yes I know other parties have their own problems start your own thread grin

2). Is it looking even more like an Inner London Social Elite speaking for Labour.

3) I am particularly interested in the choice of Shami Chakrabarti as Attorney General, the predictions from months ago from some political pundits have come to fruition.

So far I am wondering why given the recent coverage of Sarah Champion and her 'issue' gives rise to not being an open goal for wondering why Corbyn gave her the role of Shadow Women and Equalities Minister. Certainly the timing is somewhat surreal but that's a personal observation maybe.

As for Chakrabarti I am not for one moment surprised but again it is an open goal considering she only joined the party a few months ago, received a mixed opinion over her Anti Semitism Report from adoration to a white wash and her taking one of the ultimate 'Establishment' positions as Baroness . Then again both her and the Corbyn were so anti the House of Lords there must be a 'U Turn' on their widely known held views.

I wonder if more will be announced today.

Anniebach Fri 07-Oct-16 12:02:32

Thank you TerriBull , if Blair had his eye on life after westminster he would have joined the Tory party in my opinion

Yorkshiregel Fri 07-Oct-16 12:02:09

Tony Blair imo was a traitor who took this country in to an illegal war so that he could cozy up with President Bush. He was in fact his puppet. He should be in prison writing his memoirs. He deliberately lied to the country and he got hundreds of people killed fighting a war that should never have been fought. He is I think, evil!

Mr Corbyn on the other hand is a principled man and good luck to him. At least he is honest. I live in the same town he was brought up in and I can tell you that the school he went to is one of the best in the country, and it is oversubscribed. The streets are full of cars come entrance exam day. It teaches respect for others, compassion, it sends pupils out to do good works around the town, it frowns on bullies and the exam results are amazingly good.

Both labour, both politicians, but worlds apart.

However because of Corbyn's stand on trident there will be many who will not vote for him unfortunately. He knows this, but he will not depart from his principles.

If Blair thinks he has a chance of beating Mr Corbyn to become Leader of the Labour Party I think he is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Anniebach Fri 07-Oct-16 12:00:15

Jess,yes you are completely wrong , I do not present myself as anything, I have been a Labour Party member for fifty years, no, over fifty years now, time does fly . I didn't learn about socialism from books ,I learned from experience and the advantage of inheriting the papers and journals of my g grandfather who worked with K Hardie in the birth of the Labour Party, of having Michael Foot as a family friend.

I learned of socialism this way.

You choose to believe rumour of Blair, I choose to believe what Gordon Brown told me of the reasons he and Blair took as to why they joined the Labour Party.

I can also accept we are now in 2016 and not 1900.

TerriBull Fri 07-Oct-16 11:35:27

trisher - I think my impression of Emily Thornberry's unfortunate tweet and Shami's "Essex man" remark revealed a disdain for a section of society with their pejorative generalisations implying that "Essex man" for example are one dimensional, and not in a good way, is a fallacy, I know that because I married someone who was born and brought up in Essex and he does not represent their small minded vision of what they view as the "worst" type of British male. They would be the first to kick up a fuss should an unflattering generalistion be applied to say another ethnic minority.

Annie yes I would concede that Tony Blair might not always have had grandiose money making plans, I think possibly he turned into the money devil when he sold his soul to Bush.

Peaseblossom Fri 07-Oct-16 11:32:13

I'd certainly like to call him a big C. Can't stand him or Diane Abbott or the Labour Party. Loony lefties.

radicalnan Fri 07-Oct-16 11:29:51

Wonder how long any of this will last?

Ghastly Diane Abbot?????? She must have been good at something when they had their fling.

JessM Fri 07-Oct-16 11:24:08

Anniebach what are you talking about? You present yourself on here as a long termmember of the Labour Party - or have I got that completely wrong?
Rumour has it that Blair, when a student, decided to go into politics before deciding which party to join.
Rumours of his return to mainstream politics (on radio this morning) only serve to emphasise that he is living in a parallel universe in which he is the messiah.

Anniebach Fri 07-Oct-16 11:22:11

trisher,you are so wrong, it is you who refuses to consider any other opinions , you have no problem with Corbyn being a Militant, I do . You would choose Corbyn to remain leader and labour not win an election, I would not.

For me I want labour to take the centre ground, win the election and help the vunerable , thry matter to me

sue1169 Fri 07-Oct-16 11:18:14

-hes a champagne socialist!!!he has absolutely no idea about working class life!!!!

trisher Fri 07-Oct-16 11:14:50

OMG Annie you have been conned. Read Machiavelli's The Prince Blair\s career is a living example of his ideas put into practice. He always knew where he was going.

nigglynellie Fri 07-Oct-16 11:12:25

Yes ab, I remember reading that about DA's son! I gathered he was 11 at the time!!! My son was desperate to go to the Grammar School, but sadly for him, it didn't exist any more and unlike DA the funds weren't there to send him privately, so he had to be told that he couldn't. He also was 11 at the time, and faced with no choice, capitulated fairly easily as 11 year olds usually do!!

Anniebach Fri 07-Oct-16 11:10:05

Jess I am a member of the Labour Democratic Party not the momentum Militant party , big difference

trisher Fri 07-Oct-16 11:09:58

Anniebach I thought about replying to you, but I know that you always refuse to consider any other opinions, you so dislike Shami and Corbyn, that nothing they do could satisfy you.

Anniebach Fri 07-Oct-16 11:07:08

TerriBull, I don't think Blair did have an eye on after his political career when he became leader of the party

spabbygirl Fri 07-Oct-16 11:06:35

Hypocrisy = Theresa May saying on weds that they want to listen to people & on Thurs overturning a village's vote not to have fracking in their area.

The media print very biased stuff against Corbyn cos if elected he will collect the taxes properly from the likes of the owners of The Mail & The Sun, they really don't want him in no. 10.

Marriages end for all sorts of little, personal reasons, unless he beat his wife or similar its too personal to be made private.

I think JC is great, I like his new cabinet & am fed up with hearing those who moan, I just want them to get on & oppose the tories.

Anniebach Fri 07-Oct-16 11:03:57

Since when has knowledge of human rights made anyone more qualified to carry out an enquiry into accusations of racism .

Corbyn and Shami are both against the House of Lords , Corbyn appoints Shami to the House of Lords after a few weeks work for the party .

Good grief my husband was invited to join the Freemasons to further his career , he was against the Freemasons so refused .

trisher Fri 07-Oct-16 11:03:55

TerriBull there has always been a vociferous section of the working class who have had very right wing views and the Labour party has always distanced itself from that section. Perhaps if they would stand proudly for their beliefs they would do better than by trying to ingratiate themselves with white van man.

TerriBull Fri 07-Oct-16 11:01:01

I don't think it's a thankless task for all. I think both Blair and Cameron always had an eye to the future and the possible lucrative deals lined up after they had left office.

Seasidenana Fri 07-Oct-16 10:51:26

Reading the comments on this thread I do wonder why anyone would stand for politics given the flack people get for trying to do what they think is best for their country and for people. The media prints a lot of biased criticism which people seem to believe without question. Poor Jo Cox even got murdered just trying to do her job.

I take my hat off to people in public service doing their best. It's a thankless task.

TerriBull Fri 07-Oct-16 10:50:50

I'm a simple soul and I don't come on GN every day, so quite possibly I've missed some of the discussions on education. I have voted Labour in the past, last time when Tony Blair was the "great hope for the future" before we found out what he was really like. My understanding of a socialist ethos would be that any committed socialist would want a level playing ground for all and thefore education would be pivotal in achieving that, surely those in key positions in the party should sign up lock stock and barrel to that premise and I imagine most do. Shami Chakrobati, may be a little woman physically, but a little woman in every other sense she aint, so I'm not buying into her explanation that her ex husband was solely responsible for their son's education, it's a convenient way of absolving herself for an inconveient choice that is at odds with her political views, and, imo it really is as the great (in the physical sense) Diane Abbott said when she was outed over her choice "I can't defend the indefensible" Didn't she want to abolish private/selective schools once?

Labour - I would also expect them to defend the rights of minorities, but they seem now to exclude our beleaguered Jewish community. Reading accounts of some of the abuse Jewish female MPs have suffered of late, I find truly shocking, particulary within a party who I imagine see themselves at the fore of progressive politics. Similarly there are those in the party who used Angela Eagle's sexuality against her before she dropped out of the leadership race, which is again very puzzling, I wouldn't expect those retrograde attitudes not to have any place in the leading party of the left. Yes no doubt this has been discussed ad infinitum but as I said I only come on intermittently so I've missed it all.

Annie you mentioned Emily Thornberry and the "white van" debacle, her comment "I've never seen anything like it" and then she kind of back tracked and by saying it was just an observation she didn't mean it disparagingly but everyone knew what she meant, similarly with Shami's "don't leave me alone with Essex man", it's their gut feeling, what comes out first is often what a person really feels and apologies might follow, but once it's out it's out. What amazes me that they are in public life, but haven't learn to reign in their indiscretions, but probably that could be applied to all political persuasions to be fair. Going back to Labour, it does seem unfortunate for them, that their elite simply cannot hide their contempt for the likes of "white man van" yet these are supposed to be the very people that would have once been their core voters.

Since it's inception way back at the beginning of the 20th century, there would have been umpteen times I think Labour would have been the only credible party to try and create a more equal society. I also think that any democracy needs a feaasible opposition, whoever happens to be in government will always need to be held to account.

JessM Fri 07-Oct-16 10:49:44

Talk about misogyny folks.
I presume you have now resigned as a member of the Labour Party Annie?

trisher Fri 07-Oct-16 10:43:19

Can't win can you? Appoint a lot of women to cabinet and you need in some way to be surrounded by their acclimation, don't appoint them and you are sexist. Join the Labour party with a wealth of knowledge and experience of human rights issues and you should stand in line, not be appointed to a post you are well suited for. Send your kids to private schools something most of middle England aspire to (and which is the section your party is supposed to need to win an election) and you will be upsetting the working class vote. Meanwhile Mrs May firmly occupies the centre ground with a lot of unsubstantiated rhetoric.

Anniebach Fri 07-Oct-16 10:33:04

Niggly, Abbot's son claimed it was his choice not his mother's !

Anniebach Fri 07-Oct-16 10:26:58

Jalima, he had very few to choose from , I am waiting for Abbot or McDonald to become deputy leader if Corbyn can get shot of Tom Watson , he is on the hit list