Shami Chakrobati now Shadow Attorney General in Corbyn reshuffle

Is it just me...?

Does anyone else have a problem with their internet connection?
I keep losing mine.

Annie, can you please tell me where I called you a Tory spy?
If not, please retract that.

So roses and Annie, why bother with this thread? If we are always going to sell arms because everyone else does, what's the point?
We may as well just kill each other.
No point in civilisation.

I thought humans were supposed to be better than that.

Annie, are you still a member of Hopenothate?
In that case, you should know about the Nazis in this country. Why are you not anti Nazi on this thread?

To quote Corbyn - with hindsight !

It was the war that was being discussed Ana and I said different actions could have meant war was avoided, nothing to do with responsibility for the rise, but it was never greeted with the distaste people now associate with Nazism, it was in fact welcomed.

No one has disputed that people didn't support the Nazi's between the wars, they certainly did, exactly as some people supported Stalin. What is being said is that whether anyone did or didn't support the Nazi's it wouldn't have made a jot of difference to Hitler and his henchmens intentions!

It doesn't make me think any more than I already had done about that subject.

You're surely not insisting with your ridiculous claim that Britain is ultimately responsible for the rise of the Nazi party in Germany?

And if you thought it was just the newspapers
Similar sentiments were voiced in the House of Commons, on the 24th of July 1934
William P.C. Greene, Conservative party M.P. for Worchester and a landowner in Australia asked:

"Is it not a fact that ninety per cent of those accused of attacking Fascists rejoice in fine old British names such as Ziff, Kernstein and Minsky"

Now there's anti-semitism for you.

Fine rosesarered then accept the consequences of arms trading will be countries who will use those weapons to bomb innocent children.
For those who doubted that there was Nazi support in Britain

The B.U.F. began to receive support from the influential Conservative press in the form of Media Baron Lord Rothermore, who's paper the 'Daily Mail' backed Mosley enthusiastically, beginning with the infamous 'Hurrah for the Blackshirts' headline of the 8th of January 1934. Lady Houstons 'Saturday Review' was also outspoken in its endorsement of England's would be Fuehrer.

According to the 'Daily Mail' of the 15th of January 1934, the British Union of Fascists was:

"a well organised party of the right ready to take over responsibility for national affairs with the same directness of purpose and energy of method as Hitler and Mussolini have displayed"(3)

Makes you think doesn't it.

True Rosesarered, seems mans basic nature is being ignored

Arms trading will not stop.Ever, and unless all countries stopped exporting arms and kept to it.......and what then, a small country being threatened by a larger one and not having enough to defend itself with, what would they do.I'll tell you, they would call on countries they have treaties with to send arms to help them, and so on and so on.

As you well know djen but are fond of asking questions, pacifists will not enter the army of their own country, even with the threat of invasion , and non pacifists will do, to prevent invasion and their way of life. Neither get a say in how much arms are produced and sold, but we know that most countries , if not all, make and sell arms.

Jen, you really sre losing control, and you are not being honest , you have had the knife out for me since I change my opinion on Corbyn , you have called me stupid, childish, a Tory spy, just because I will not support the far left.i still support all the organisations I have always supported with the exception of Stop The War

So now the discussion's about Nazis, is it?

Quite true, niggly

Is pacifism and non-pacifism the same as wanting to sell arms and not wanting to sell arms?
No, it's warmongering, not non-pacifism. Say it how it is, roses.
Those who want to sell arms are warmongers. That's what it means, selling war.

ab

There were lots of communist sympathisers in this country too between the wars despite the horrors of Stalin and his Gulags!
The idea that anything we did or said could have influenced the intentions of the Nazi's is laughable, not even worth squabbling about!

I now think trisher is enjoying winding up posters, the reply of deciding who she msy vote for, a British government or a government put forward by an invading country

Ana, I didn't lose my rag. I showed disappointment and disbelief in someone I used to admire for her stance.
I don't,roses. I want peace everywhere. I don't mistake marching for peace with anything.

In Edinburgh there is going to be a Nazi gathering with an American Nazi band coming over. It's organised by the EDL.
On the HopenotHate website if you want to look.
Annie used to be a member of this group, although she obviously isn't any more.
A third of the money collected for Jo Cox went to this group, because Jo Cox thought it important to stop Nazi groups infiltrating this country.

The problem ( for some pacifists) Is that they mistake all non pacifists for 'war mongers' when they are nothing of the sort, but it is the non pacifists who make life easy for them by fighting on their behalf ( and often dying.)

Quite easy to answer your hysterical question Jen - I didn't say what you claim I said

djen you mistake marching for peace as already achieving it.

Oh do calm down, durhamjen. Can't you address Annie without losing your rag?

No doubt if there were any Nazi's around today, you would prefer them to oust the Conservatives and set up shop in Westminster.