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Brexit and power to the people

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whitewave Fri 14-Oct-16 08:18:55

Really interesting court case and day 1 of "The Royal Prerogative"

It basically boils down to whether a minister -in this case Amino 1 - can remove rights established by an act of parliament.

It raises questions of "fundamental constitutional importance about the limits of the power of the executive"

Pannick, QC for the challenger, said " this court is not concerned with the political wisdom of withdrawal" "The government was wrong to suggest the legal challenge was merely camouflage to prevent Brexit"

Pannick's client the court was advised had again received threats, abuse and insults.

A further QC - representing the people
Argued" the constitution of our parliamentary democracy, unwritten as it is , is predicated on the sovereignty of parliament and the courts working as arbiter. Notification of withdrawal leads to the removal of the rights of UK citizens.
Chambers QC argued that the referendum did not replace the UK system of parliamentary democracy"
If the government triggered A50 it would be setting itself up as "de facto legislature"
This is a case about what is legally required, not what is legally expedient.

Good ain't it?

trisher Tue 08-Nov-16 09:52:57

Than goodness somebody believes in them. I think they have difficulty sometimes in believing why they are there and what they will be able to achieve themselves. It's a bit like Alice they have to believe at least one impossible thing everyday.

magpie123 Tue 08-Nov-16 09:46:58

I forgot to mention also the ghastly Emily Thornberry and the snivelling bunch of SNPs. They just want to derail Brexit. Well Brexit is going to happen and I have faith in the PM and her team.

daphnedill Tue 08-Nov-16 08:38:23

I saw the interview too. I wouldn't call it 'putting them in their place'. It was bluster and hot air. What's their place anyway? They're democratically elected MPs in parliament. They have a right to know what's going on and have some input.

What do you think the government is hiding, magpie? Why wouldn't they want to be more transparent? Would it have anything to do with not guaranteeing workers rights, etc?

MaizieD Tue 08-Nov-16 08:22:12

Did he?

Commentators I saw said he had nothing new to say.

magpie123 Tue 08-Nov-16 08:16:52

Gone quiet on here no mention of David Davis putting Clegg, Starmer, Miliband and a few others in their place.

whitewave Tue 08-Nov-16 05:11:21

After Brexit the anti-immigration will be moaning about the rest if the world coming here. That's if there's jobs to come to..

durhamjen Mon 07-Nov-16 23:39:51

Did you watch the Victorian Slum tonight?
It was Brexit 110 years earlier. Foreigners coming in taking our jobs and houses.

Welshwife Mon 07-Nov-16 19:45:18

Wales has nice Italian ones too - even in shopping malls now.

durhamjen Mon 07-Nov-16 19:10:35

Quite a lot of them up here, Jalima. There's even an American one in Seaham.
Most are Italian in the seaside towns.

Jalima Mon 07-Nov-16 18:42:05

ps I wish we had one of those, sounds lovely
but fattening

Jalima Mon 07-Nov-16 18:41:38

Because I thought all the Tories would be in there, as they don't have a Conservative Club for cheap beer. He met the Tories in an ice cream parlour.
grin

granjura Mon 07-Nov-16 18:35:43

There was never ever any doubt that those promises were fraudulent and broke British Law - so glad the CPS agrees.

It is illegal under the 1983 Representation of the People Act to use "any fraudulent device or contrivance" to have an "undue influence" on voters.

annodomini Mon 07-Nov-16 13:43:02

He was on the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning, defending the independence of the judiciary and the sovereignty of Parliament.

durhamjen Mon 07-Nov-16 13:15:44

Could this be another court case for Brexiteers?
Keir Starmer used to be the DPP. I wonder if he will be asked for his view.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/07/brexit-cps-considers-complaint-that-leave-campaigns-misled-voters

durhamjen Mon 07-Nov-16 10:31:24

And then this report comes out today. I think some of us knew it, but it's good to have it confirmed that the Tories set out to destroy the working class.

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/06/half-of-uk-deficit-is-result-of-job-destruction-in-older-industrial-areas

Obviously they did not realise what would happen to the workers once the jobs had gone.

whitewave Mon 07-Nov-16 07:04:00

I thought he came close to inciting riot yesterday. It wouldnt take much to encourage a particular element

durhamjen Sun 06-Nov-16 23:59:22

Did you hear Farage having to admit to Gina Miller that the referendum vote was only advisory?

durhamjen Sun 06-Nov-16 23:21:02

Sorry, that was to Jalima, not you, daphne.

Yes, I agree. Michael Sheen has obviously thought very carefully about things, more than a lot of those who commented on the video.
Have you heard that Clinton has been cleared of any illegal stuff in the latest lot of emails. Of course, Trump says it shows it's rigged. Hopefully people will see through that.

durhamjen Sun 06-Nov-16 23:16:58

Because I thought all the Tories would be in there, as they don't have a Conservative Club for cheap beer. He met the Tories in an ice cream parlour.

daphnedill Sun 06-Nov-16 23:16:38

Talking of Trump, Sheen said 'what he has tapped into is still there'. Very very true! That's what I meant on the other thread about the voters' motivation still being there, even if UKIP implodes. Love Sheen's description of UKIP as 'a bunch of monkeys'.

From what I can understand, Sheen talks sense. I think it's very sad, because I really don't think people from places like Port Talbot, the North East, Stoke or any of the other 'abandoned' places are going to benefit at all.

Jalima Sun 06-Nov-16 23:09:12

I would be surprised if everyone in our conservative club voted Tory.

After all, the beer is a lot cheaper in there.

Jalima Sun 06-Nov-16 23:04:54

Why would you be surprised that only 2 people in the RBL club voted Tory? confused

durhamjen Sun 06-Nov-16 22:47:25

Try watching this, daphne, if you haven't seen it before.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEC0R_71ozU

It's Owen Jones talking to Michael Sheen about why people voted Brexit. It could be similar in the North East.
Although people in South Shields might have voted Brexit, they still identify as Labour. I was surprised in the British Legion Club that only two others admitted to voting Tory.

Jalima Sun 06-Nov-16 22:40:09

ddill I didn't put on the link with any serious intent, just found it amusing. - mildly

MaizieD Sun 06-Nov-16 20:23:35

I wasn't actually asking you a question, POGS. My response which you quote was to being asked the same question over and over again.

In my post of 17.25 I was merely explaining why I'd said your post was nonsensical. Didn't really expect a reply...