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Brexit and power to the people

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whitewave Fri 14-Oct-16 08:18:55

Really interesting court case and day 1 of "The Royal Prerogative"

It basically boils down to whether a minister -in this case Amino 1 - can remove rights established by an act of parliament.

It raises questions of "fundamental constitutional importance about the limits of the power of the executive"

Pannick, QC for the challenger, said " this court is not concerned with the political wisdom of withdrawal" "The government was wrong to suggest the legal challenge was merely camouflage to prevent Brexit"

Pannick's client the court was advised had again received threats, abuse and insults.

A further QC - representing the people
Argued" the constitution of our parliamentary democracy, unwritten as it is , is predicated on the sovereignty of parliament and the courts working as arbiter. Notification of withdrawal leads to the removal of the rights of UK citizens.
Chambers QC argued that the referendum did not replace the UK system of parliamentary democracy"
If the government triggered A50 it would be setting itself up as "de facto legislature"
This is a case about what is legally required, not what is legally expedient.

Good ain't it?

rosesarered Mon 12-Dec-16 16:30:23

I certainly don't 'get' your sense of humour djen tchwink

nigglynellie Mon 12-Dec-16 15:48:51

I see Christmas spirit is alive and well on this thread!!!! wink

durhamjen Mon 12-Dec-16 15:39:32

That's why it's in the cynicism category, roses. You just don't get it, do you?
As for me spending more time on here than anyone else....what?
Don't be ridiculous.

POGS Mon 12-Dec-16 10:30:14

'There's a reason why TomPride calls itself an irreverent look at UK politics, POGS. You obviously take him, and me, too seriously.
Lighten up!'

Oh dear durhamjen yes left wing Tom Pride is happy to state he/them ' take an irreverent look at UK Politics'. Tom Pride/Prides Purge, also states he/they are :-

"Sarcastic, cynical, petty, vindictive and paranoid.
But apart from that ………"

Obviously some posters like to promote his/their work.

As for taking you seriously many posters do and like your links . Fair enough but if you are being ironic or joking then why come back at posters in the manner you do.

Jalima Mon 12-Dec-16 10:10:05

There must be people also who voted Remain but are thinking - perhaps I was wrong and the right decision was made after all.

Maybe you just spend too much time on GN.
I often think that about myself, I must go and do something more productive!

rosesarered Mon 12-Dec-16 10:08:39

Actually djen two points here, one that you cannot put too much faith in opinion polls any more, and two, that nobody spends more time on Gransnet than yourself.

rosesarered Mon 12-Dec-16 10:06:55

There is a difference between irreverence and downright lies though.
It is often trotted out that loads of people who voted Leave now regret it ( I mean WHY? Nothing has changed as yet.) All the people we know who voted Leave are still happy about it, but not happy that the government of the day is being challenged every which way by Uncle Tom Cobbley and All, so that their job is being made all that harder to secure a good deal for the UK.

durhamjen Mon 12-Dec-16 10:05:46

Maybe you just don't live in the right place to be asked.

www.sunderlandecho.com/news/politics/sunderland-echo-poll-shows-u-turn-on-brexit-1-8282851

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/north-east-now-wants-stay-12258741

Or maybe you just don't look at the right websites to respond to the questions.
Along, of course, with everyone you know.

Maybe you just spend too much time on GN.

durhamjen Mon 12-Dec-16 10:02:45

www.quora.com/Do-you-regret-voting-for-Brexit

durhamjen Mon 12-Dec-16 09:59:53

There's a reason why TomPride calls itself an irreverent look at UK politics, POGS. You obviously take him, and me, too seriously.
Lighten up!

POGS Mon 12-Dec-16 00:42:34

What an odd rebuff to Ana durhamjen when you have put up a link up again to left wing Tom Pride who gives the impression he must have spoken to 'everyone he knows', apparently everybody who voted in the EU Referendum to make yet another sweeping statement based on nowt, Nada, zilch. He obviously doesn't have ' better things to talk about ' if that is the point you are making to Ana.

He never asked me either!.

If he had he might have found out this Remainer is so peed off with the attitude of some other Remainers I just might vote to Leave next time, if there ever is a next time.

Just how such material is given credence bemuses me.

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 23:08:58

Really? You've asked all the people you know whether they've been asked questions about Brexit?
I have better things to talk to them about.

Ana Sun 11-Dec-16 16:57:09

Strange, no one's asked me...or anyone I know, for that matter!

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 16:44:20

www.businessinsider.com/brexit-vote-regret-leave-margin-victory-2016-10?IR=T

Ana Sun 11-Dec-16 16:39:48

Oh, so the referendum was pointless because the result was WRONG, according to sulky Remainers. No mention of respecting Brexiters' wishes, I notice...

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 16:35:56

tompride.wordpress.com/2016/12/11/sorry-brexiters-youre-in-the-minority-now-respect-the-wishes-of-the-british-people-and-remain/

granjura Sun 11-Dec-16 16:01:35

petra? please and thank you.

Anniebach Sun 11-Dec-16 15:37:21

The day following the vote Corbyn said Article 50 must be invoked immediately , the people have made their decision , we must respect that result

durhamjen Sun 11-Dec-16 14:51:18

Another challenge to Brexit, saying that article 50 is not the end of it. It should be possible to challenge it.
Crowdfunded by an economist.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-legal-challenge-ireland-irish-high-court-article-50-jo-maugham-a7468081.html

durhamjen Sat 10-Dec-16 00:12:18

That'll be fun. A fortnight ago my estate had no electricity, a problem at the substation. They are still sending us letters asking for proof of any equipment that was damaged, televisions, computers, etc. One house needed the fire brigade.
At the same time, there were similar problems in haqlf a dozen other locations in the North East.
Fun if that gets repeated over the country.

JessM Fri 09-Dec-16 12:07:05

Well speaking of cables, my DH was telling me that in the storm a few weeks ago a significant proportion of the undersea cables that join us to the continent were ripped up (possible by a ship dragging its anchor) and that there is some concern about our capacity in the coming winter. There is also damage between UK and Ireland.

www.ft.com/content/52e957a6-b64a-11e6-ba85-95d1533d9a62

durhamjen Thu 08-Dec-16 19:29:42

How many lawyers does it take to write a constitution?
It was easier for the Americans in the pre long distance communication era.
Round about the American Civil war, the first undersea cable was laid between the UK and America. Could come in useful in a pub quiz. Actually, the cable broke a few times, as they were laying it from England to the US, or US to England. Eventually, they decided to start at both ends and meet in the middle, and that one worked.

whitewave Thu 08-Dec-16 19:18:09

I am quite pleased that this has been aired actually as hopefully it will advance our constitution a tad out of the medieval.

durhamjen Thu 08-Dec-16 18:54:18

This whole court case could have been avoided if Theresa May had listened to and taken notice of Thornberry and Starmer in October.

labourlist.org/2016/10/thornberry-and-starmers-brexit-letter-to-david-davis/

durhamjen Thu 08-Dec-16 18:25:31

It's actually very worrying, granjura, when you think of the problems Qatar is having building football stadia. All those builders being killed. No health and safety or human rights. Same with China and anything to do with power. How did Australia get involved with those two human rights abusers?