Theresa May 3

May has been addressing the World Economic Forum in Davos today. Suspect the audience will be gazing in horrified disbelief.

One caller on an LBC phonein yesterday was so thrilled with Mrs. May and her speech that he said she's the best PM we've had since Winston Churchill

Jess you are a Socialist Corbyn supporter and a passionate Remainer.
What else would you say, except the kinds of things you are saying.What you massively do however is underestimate May and her determination to make leaving the EU work for the UK.

Well Tricia ' Cometh the hour, cometh the man ' (or woman)

I like to think that most of the 'intelligent' gents there will be queuing up to do deals.
They know a winner when they see one.

Jess M

What did you disagree with in her Davis speech?

I presume you watched it or have read what Theresa May said.

Or are you just 'shooting from the 'lip''.?

Davos NOT Davis obviously!

roses - steady on - I am a member of the Labour Party since the last general election and I give my support to the democratically elected leader of the party. That is what democrats do.
You do not know which candidates I voted for in the 2 leadership elections.
So don't jump to conclusions or label me.
I live in Wales and it is clear that leaving the EU will lead to harm to the Welsh economy. And when the economy suffers, the poor - and a disproportionate number of women - suffer most.

I do not underestimate May's determination to leave.
However she was utterly determined to cut the net immigration figures while she was Home Secretary and failed to do so.
What the outcome would look like is a mystery to many and possibly to her as well. I fear that it would be a low-wage economy with reduced worker's rights (another way of cutting costs of employing someone - take away entitlements to holiday pay, parental leave etc).
And possibly with more immigrants from outside the EU who are cheaper to employ and exploit. This would "work" if you were an unscrupulous business owner. And the Tories generally present themselves as the party that helps business owners rather than workers.

"I live in Wales and it is clear that leaving the EU will lead to harm to the Welsh economy. And when the economy suffers, the poor - and a disproportionate number of women - suffer most."

I see you live in Anglesey a remote and largely rural area.
I can see that from your local perspective, benefiting from EU grants, and only minimal immigration the EU might well appear do bring more benefits than costs. Yours is a highly atypical situation.

True Jess I did jump to the conclusion that you were a very left wing person when perhaps you are not, just from reading your posts.However you say that you DO support Corbyn ( many Labour voters do not).
Wales voted to Leave by a good majority.

I think supporting Corbyn does count as 'very left wing'!

I imagine Jess would agree?

Brexit will harm the whole British economy, not just the Welsh economy. Two major banks have just announced that a large number of employees and about 20% of their British business is to be relocated from London to France or Germany.

The owners of small businesses, who you might expect the Tories to protect are not optimistic. Head of the Forum of Private Business, Ian Cass, said that it had become vital the government indicated its Brexit intentions. “Businesses are facing challenging times at the moment with fuel prices rising, inflation showing an increasing trend and the exchange rate volatile, all as a result of Brexit uncertainty,” he added.

According to the latest data, Brexit remains a highly unpopular prospect to the majority of the UK’s smallest businesses. A recent survey by FreeAgent found that around 70 per cent of micro business owners believed leaving the EU would have a “negative impact” on the economy, while 86 per cent complained that the government had failed to provide enough clarity.

Commenting on May’s Brexit speech, FreeAgent co-founder Ed Molyneux said: “Micro business owners have felt that they have not been given enough information [on Brexit]. Given that they make up 95 per cent of all UK companies, the economy cannot afford for them to be in the dark.”

'Spiteful rants', Petra?

Perhaps you can explain to me how the bypassing of Parliamentary scrutiny and an avowed intention to go ahead whatever Parliament thinks is upholding the sovereignty of Parliament?

Did you vote Leave to promote an Oligarchy in the UK?

Here is the solution to the numbers of immigrants and it could have been implemented at any time.

Have you seen the report today that a bill was passed about six years ago detailing that no referendum would be binding - roughly speaking because this was not the way the UK worked. This bill was nothing to do with the last referendum but referred to any referendum held in the UK and went through both houses of Parliament and was passed.

Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn says Labour "respects the decision of the British people" to leave the EU and "will not block Article 50".

So he obviously isn't taking any notice of this new report...

Thank you for posting that, Welshwife. People seem to have such short memories. As Home Secretary, Theresa May could have implemented it. She could also have completely stopped immigration from non-EU countries, if she'd wanted. There was absolutely nothing to stop her.

Not only that, but Cameron 'won' the concession of not having to pay immigrants most benefits for four years before the referendum. I don't understand why he didn't make more of a song and dance about it. It would have stopped the argument that immigrants want to come to the UK because we're a soft touch.

Here is the solution to the numbers of immigrants and it could have been implemented at any time.

It's not as simple as your upload suggests WW
Let's look at the actual directive (article 7)rather than an interpretation of it:

This refers to workers wishing to stay longer than three months:

3. For the purposes of paragraph 1(a), a Union citizen who is no longer a worker or self-employed
person shall retain the status of worker or self-employed person in the following circumstances:
(a) he/she is temporarily unable to work as the result of an illness or accident;
(b) he/she is in duly recorded involuntary unemployment after having been employed for more
than one year and has registered as a job-seeker with the relevant employment office;
(c) he/she is in duly recorded involuntary unemployment after completing a fixed-term
employment contract of less than a year or after having become involuntarily unemployed
during the first twelve months and has registered as a job-seeker with the relevant
employment office. In this case, the status of worker shall be retained for no less than six
months;
(d) he/she embarks on vocational training. Unless he/she is involuntarily unemployed, the
retention of the status of worker shall require the training to be related to the previous
employment.

So you see in reality anyone who manages to secure some kind of temporary work, or sets himself up as self employed can very easily avoid expulsion! Even those that dont can appeal in the courts ensuring the cost of expeling them is probably greater than allowing them to stay.

And of course you are suggesting that 'problem ' EU immigration is limited to those who come only live on benefit. The reality is most come to work, but the numbers are still far too high.

Thank you roses - I joined the Labour Party after the last election because I was worried about the further damage the tories might do given a majority. And I was right to worry. I would not describe myself as particularly left wing - I am more concerned with what happens than I am in shades of left-ness.
Cameron ran a dreadful referendum campaign. I remember thinking at the time that the best thing he and George O could do was to shut up and let other voices be heard. The campaign was not helped by the fact that the press were more interested in the fact that Boris and Gove were angling to become DC's eventual successor so focussed on them all the time. Not to mention the press's continued adoration of Farage.
So more sensible and trustworthy voices, like Frances O'Grady were not heard above the shouting.

Looking at Davis and fallout from Mays speech - not looking good is it?

Love the Boris Trump and that the Foreign Office deserves all of Brussels compassion.

Cameron certainly ran a bad referendum campaign....in fact I think he became instrumental in turning a lot of people into supporting Leave.Ditto Osborne.

Pleased to hear that May recognised the fear of globalisation by so many. However she also went on to back globalisation.

She had to tailor her speech to that particular audience.

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/18/germany-theresa-may-eu-27-angela-merkel-article-50-citizens-rights

She told a fib.

A fib!