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MaizieD Mon 31-Oct-16 11:17:50

Very interesting article about T May. Forgive me if it's been posted before.

I think that the author is proposing that the Murdoch media have been superseded by the Daily Mail in setting the agenda for 'British' and that Theresa May is a product and perpetrator of its agenda.

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/anthony-barnett/daily-mail-takes-power-0

The Daily Mail takes power
Anthony Barnett 5 October 2016

After 25 years in politics Theresa May has no obvious connections to any think tank. She shows no interest in ideas. Asked by Conservative Home in a Quick Quiz session to choose between Burke’s “Reflections on the Revolution in France” or Louise Bagshawe’s “Desire”, she replied, “I wouldn’t read either of them, sorry.” The prime minister who faces arguably the Kingdom’s deepest constitutional predicament since George III was driven from the Cabinet by the loss of the American colonies dismissed out of hand the idea that she might ever turn to the pages of Burke, even though as a student she had chaired a society named after him.

As the country faces an unprecedented concatenation of economic, strategic, diplomatic and constitutional uncertainty, the woman at the helm seems devoid of intellectual resources. The one decision she has definitely taken is to give the go ahead to Hinkley Point C nuclear power station, a boondoggle incapable of justification by any criteria of integrity. The Pharaohs built their own pyramids, Theodoric built his own mausoleum. But these were designed as monuments to generate the admiration of posterity. Surely only an idiot would make their first decision the go-ahead for a colossal radioactive tombstone to her regime.

But Theresa May should not be dismissed as an idiot. There is a striking and potentially formidable coherence to the general direction she has set for her new government, evidenced by the self-confidence of her ministers who remarkably quickly are singing from the same song-sheet. She does seem to have a clear ideology refreshingly different from her predecessors. Where has it come from?

The answer is The Daily Mail. On Sunday in her first speech to her party as its leader, she set out her view of Brexit and announced that she intends to trigger Article 50 to start the UK’s withdrawal from the EU before March. This was a moment of upmost gravity, to recognise and measure the immense divisions that have been opened up within the country, and consider the implications for the entire continent that Britain once helped liberate from fascism. Instead, her tone, brevity and apparent practicality were drawn as if directly from a Daily Mail editorial.

Intelligent comments section, too.

Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 16:29:43

whitewave
Mair was also filmed with the BNP helping them on a stall

You are clearly deliberately trying to cause confusion between myself and Thomas Mair, in an attempt to smear me as an extremist.

Kindly stop doing so by using his initial: TMair. No trouble is it?

Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 16:32:16

"I have never contacted a white supremacist organisation and subscribed to its magazine or expressed support for its cause"

I didnt suggest that, but you may well have hard left literature, as a means of informing yourself.

This is my point, reading something, books or magazines does not mean you hold those views.

Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 16:34:02

Excuse me? I agree with daphne, but I haven't written anything like that

LOL DJ, you and DD are so alike, please excuse my confusing your posts occasionally!

whitewave Thu 26-Jan-17 16:42:19

No I'm not deliberately trying to confuse you with Mair or smear you. Why on earth would anyone else on GN be confused??

You are being over sensitive, you were the one that brought the subject up in the first place about left wing violence and suggesting that it only came from the left wing. I simply suggested that Mair might also count as being quite violent. And he is a BNP supporter white supremacist.

JessM Thu 26-Jan-17 16:55:38

Goodness me a certain amount of flailing about going on re Mair Mair. Unless you knew him personally you are not in a position to talk about his motivation I think. The judge was clearly convinced that he had some political motivation.
"It is clear from your internet and other researches that your inspiration is not love of country or your fellow citizens, it is an admiration for Nazism, and similar anti-democratic white supremacist creeds where democracy and political persuasion are supplanted by violence towards and intimidation of opponents and those who, in whatever ways, are thought to be different and, for that reason, open to persecution."
But do carry on sticking up for him. Freedom of speech and all that.

On the subject of May and the EU citizens I'd hope she is bright enough to be able to work out that if she gave permanent right to remain to those EU citizens who were living here last June then this would not provoke a sudden last minute rush of EU citizens flooding in, just desperate to jump onto a sinking ship. smile An easy thing to do and it would get her negotiations off on a much better footing than she is at the moment.

whitewave Thu 26-Jan-17 17:12:06

mair?so are you saying that when looking at a persons profile you can't form a picture from their on line activity and choice of reading. That's ridiculous! Mair's internet activity alone would alarm most right thinking people.

Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 17:17:28

Until you choose to distinguish between the murderer TMair and myself WW I will not be responding to your posts about him.
Your latest is ridiculous.

Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 17:19:34

Jess
Your suggestion that I am "sticking up for him" is ridiculous.
I am simply saying that the murder had nothing to do with Brexit, much as Bremain extremists would love to link the two.

whitewave Thu 26-Jan-17 17:22:39

Why would working out a persons profile from their online activity and reading material be ridiculous?? I did it all the time in my former life, and very successfully I might add.

Mair's [not*mair*] on line activity help condemn him and thank God for it.

whitewave Thu 26-Jan-17 17:25:14

Sorry It should have been mair

daphnedill Thu 26-Jan-17 17:36:19

Mair Why on earth would I have hard-left literature?

whitewave Thu 26-Jan-17 17:38:53

I think literature from the liberal party would count as hard left in mairs world

Ana Thu 26-Jan-17 17:41:39

Blimey, wonder what sort of job that was...hmm

varian Thu 26-Jan-17 17:44:46

Mair I am sure nobody on GN actually thinks you murdered Jo Cox.

You need not try so hard to explain away the motives of her killer.

whitewave Thu 26-Jan-17 17:46:39

Mair would not be allowed to take part in social media of any sort. He will be closely watched.

durhamjen Fri 27-Jan-17 00:43:19

You could always change your name, Mair, back to what you were before. That would avoid confusion.
As we can all choose our names on here, I can't imagine why anyone would choose that name.

Mair Fri 27-Jan-17 00:58:12

"You could always change your name, Mair, back to what you were before"

Are you suggesting I was on here before under another name? shock
You're very wrong. I only recently became aware of GN.

durhamjen Fri 27-Jan-17 01:21:24

Whatever. Just change your name if it upsets you.
My birthday is the same day as Hitler's. I'd be asking for it if I called myself Hitler.
If you've only just become aware of GN, you must have known about Mair before you chose your name on GN. Asking for problems, and it's your problem, not ours. We were talking about Mair well before you chose such an obnoxious name.

durhamjen Fri 27-Jan-17 01:53:48

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-donald-trump-nhs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html

Who would have guessed it?
May not prepared to talk about the NHS in trade deals = sell-off.

rosesarered Fri 27-Jan-17 09:08:10

This is T May's first meeting with Donald Trump, what do you expect?She has to think of reinforcing bonds with the US and be on friendly terms with whoever is President for the good of the UK. Since Obama was not exactly a good friend of our country, whatever we think of Trump, this is an opportunity for deals.

whitewave Fri 27-Jan-17 09:20:19

Oh!! Since when was Obama not a friend? The fact that he agreed with 50% of the population over Brexit?? The fact that he was dismayed at the foul treatment his grandfather received from the British.

Or

The fact that he understands the consequences of uncontrolled climate change, or the fact that he is instinctly reluctant to use force to settle a problem or the fact that he ceased extraordinary rendition and torture??

Which facts make him unfriendly?

rosesarered Fri 27-Jan-17 09:55:21

We will never know why, but possibly the fact that his grandfather fell foul of the British military, and this anti-British sentiment may have pervaded his thoughts.His easy and charmless 'back of the queue' comment, though it pleased Cameron at the time, did not please everybody.
He was never directly unfriendly to Britain, he had more diplomacy than that, but his Presidency did not seem as close as other Presidents,Bush or Reagan for example.

rosesarered Fri 27-Jan-17 09:59:09

ww what has climate change/ torture/rendition got to do with it?

trisher Fri 27-Jan-17 10:29:57

rosesarered if you don't appreciate that Trump is for rendition and torture and doesn't believe in climate change you must have been asleep for the past month. TM needed to make it clear to Trump that the British will have nothing to do with the first two and will vigorously pursue the last regardless of the US stance. Did she? I doubt it.
If we had to pick friends for the UK I'd rather have Obama than Trump. How can someone who believes in rendition and torture, is abusive to women and doesn't believe in abortion be a friend to a country where we have outlawed the first two and fought for women's rights?

whitewave Fri 27-Jan-17 10:35:21

Obamas grandfather was tortured by the British.

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