Theresa May 3

Goss on Twitter is that David Cameron is being lined up to be nominated by the PM as head of NATO!

Didn't durhamjen post that on another thread earlier today?

Oh yes, just checked, it's on the 'political hypocrite' thread - complete with guardian link!

That's okay, it can be on two threads. He deserves being pilloried twice. So does she.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/01/08/social-justice/

Should go under the hypocrite thread, but it'll do here.
Theresa May going to lead a party committed to social justice?
What?
Perhaps she should start with health and social care. Our PM doesn't know what's going on in the country.

I don't think she gives two hoots about social justice, but she knows what appeals to C2 voters.

Richard Murphy doesn't think Theresa May understands 'social justice' (understatement)

I wonder if it will become a mantra like 'taking back control'.

Theresa May stood on the steps of Downing Street and delivered a sanctimonious homily about social injustice but what has she actualky done since then?

Distracted and out of her depth by the chaos of Brexit she has done nothing to help those JAMs or create a more equal society. She ignores all objective evidence about educational opportunities and outcomes and goes ahead with her divisive policy to create more grammar schools. The NHS and social care are starved of funds. She choses to ignore the advice of our ambassador to the EU and he resigns.

I am very disappointed in her. The only good thing you can say is that she is not Andrea Leadsom.

Blimey that's not saying a lot varian

But I do agree. Brexit is without doubt taking all this governments energies. You can just imagine all the meetings taking place and arguments. Most of the cabinet are remainders. But we are beginning to see the result of all this. The NHS is as a result of the extreme austerity meted out by Osborne is on its knees. God help anyone of us who ends up in hospital and too frail to go home for the time without help. Unless we have a family that can give you time to help you, and most of our families are busy working with children we will be stuck k or more likely sent home not dressed without food and no other help. What type of society are we becoming?6

A selfish society if we are too busy to care for our parents . Our parents looked after their children and their parents.

Well yes * annie* that is certainly one way of looking at it, but it doesn't do to be too judgemental as I look at my son and daughter and see their lives that are incredibly busy with far more demands made on them than in my day. Expectations from their work is amazing compared with what I experienced and then they have the children to deal with.

My parents certainly didn't look after their parents. Both grandfathers died quite suddenly. Their lives would no doubt have been extended with modern technology. One grandmother could pay for her own end-of-life care and the other was in an NHS institution for the last few months.

When average life expectancy was in the low 70s, people did not live for so long with poor health. They generally lived long enough to help their children with their children then died.

I don't think it's helpful to blame people (usually women) for not doing more to help with social care.

We seem to going full circle with May with regards to Society. Post war was paternalistic/father Tory, then with Thatcher Individual Tory, Cameron was lend a hand Tory, and now We have materialistic/ Mother May.

My mother often used to say that she looked after her mother until she died.
What we had to remind her was that she was only 27 when her mother died, and the reason her mother lived in the same house was because her mother paid the deposit on it, two years earlier. So in fact, it was more her mother's house than my parents', as she had put more into it.

Makes me think of Thatcher, individual Tory, dying in a hotel.

That made me grin dj about your Mum

Yes even I felt a passing quick bit of sympathy for that lonely old soul. Remember seeing a photo of her sat in probably green park with her minder - it looked utterly pathetic, but at least she was warm, well fed with the ability to buy her wants.

Where were her kids when she needed them to look after her?
Being individuals, I suppose.

That really is a very unkind remark djen about the adult Thatcher children, we can't know how much they helped and visited and sorted out what their Mother needed.
You feel you can say that because she was a Tory perhaps.Hmmmn.

No, I am saying that because she was living in a hotel.
They were probably doing as she told everyone else, no such thing as society, just individual men and women.

Thatchers children live abroad and the - she died in a hotel is milking it. She was given a private apartment and had around the clock nursing care, staff and friends . Don't think she can be accused of bed blocking

Not much difference between a hotel and a care home - a private suite and round-the-clock care with friends and family visiting sound OK to me, I'd settle for that. Her family would have visited her in a luxury care home, so why not in a hotel suite?

Do you think Maggie would have preferred to live in her son or daughter's spare room and have them see to her bathing and toileting?

whitewave, is minder the new name for carer/nurse , I think it rather unkind to say that a person accompanying a dementia sufferer is a minder .

I was not being judgemental , I just stated a fact, parents were taken care of by their children

I would happily settle for it as well Elegran it sounds as nice a life as you could possibly want in the circumstances.

If you want to change minder to nurse-although I'm not sure that is what they were - I am totally relaxed about it, as its quite a small point.

Whitewave, you chose to call the person her minder , sorry but I think it was unkind, so not a small point, I have no respect for thatcher the politician but we are speaking of Thatcher a dementia suffer