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MaizieD Mon 31-Oct-16 11:17:50

Very interesting article about T May. Forgive me if it's been posted before.

I think that the author is proposing that the Murdoch media have been superseded by the Daily Mail in setting the agenda for 'British' and that Theresa May is a product and perpetrator of its agenda.

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/anthony-barnett/daily-mail-takes-power-0

The Daily Mail takes power
Anthony Barnett 5 October 2016

After 25 years in politics Theresa May has no obvious connections to any think tank. She shows no interest in ideas. Asked by Conservative Home in a Quick Quiz session to choose between Burke’s “Reflections on the Revolution in France” or Louise Bagshawe’s “Desire”, she replied, “I wouldn’t read either of them, sorry.” The prime minister who faces arguably the Kingdom’s deepest constitutional predicament since George III was driven from the Cabinet by the loss of the American colonies dismissed out of hand the idea that she might ever turn to the pages of Burke, even though as a student she had chaired a society named after him.

As the country faces an unprecedented concatenation of economic, strategic, diplomatic and constitutional uncertainty, the woman at the helm seems devoid of intellectual resources. The one decision she has definitely taken is to give the go ahead to Hinkley Point C nuclear power station, a boondoggle incapable of justification by any criteria of integrity. The Pharaohs built their own pyramids, Theodoric built his own mausoleum. But these were designed as monuments to generate the admiration of posterity. Surely only an idiot would make their first decision the go-ahead for a colossal radioactive tombstone to her regime.

But Theresa May should not be dismissed as an idiot. There is a striking and potentially formidable coherence to the general direction she has set for her new government, evidenced by the self-confidence of her ministers who remarkably quickly are singing from the same song-sheet. She does seem to have a clear ideology refreshingly different from her predecessors. Where has it come from?

The answer is The Daily Mail. On Sunday in her first speech to her party as its leader, she set out her view of Brexit and announced that she intends to trigger Article 50 to start the UK’s withdrawal from the EU before March. This was a moment of upmost gravity, to recognise and measure the immense divisions that have been opened up within the country, and consider the implications for the entire continent that Britain once helped liberate from fascism. Instead, her tone, brevity and apparent practicality were drawn as if directly from a Daily Mail editorial.

Intelligent comments section, too.

whitewave Mon 09-Jan-17 11:54:20

As I said annie you can I am totally open to any suggestion, I had no intention of being unkind, as I said I felt nothing but sympathy for what appeared a lonely poor soul. However, I also hinted at the contrast to her experience of dementia and death to many other lonely poor souls in our society, I am not sure her policies made their life any better.

Anniebach Mon 09-Jan-17 12:23:09

And I didn't disagree with you whitewave, I disagreed with you calling the person who was with her a minder , sympathy? Sorry no there was no sympathy in that .

whitewave Mon 09-Jan-17 12:31:43

OK annie I am sorry to be unkind, it was not meant.

Anniebach Mon 09-Jan-17 14:01:17

I do understand whitewave, thst woman brought me to the brink of hatred

JessM Mon 09-Jan-17 16:58:22

Had an entertaining time reading yesterday's Telegraph this morning. May trying to re-present herself as a caringSharing politician. I spared a thought for Cameron when he kept saying (in 2010) that he was going to run "the greenest government ever" (remember the change to the cute tree logo?). This of course came to naught - in fact it came to fracking...
The only caringSharing policy she has come up with so far has been grammar schools.
And a very cutting comment piece about "garden villages/towns" - basically, how much it will piss off Tory voters in the relevant boroughs.
Her latest wheeze is that she is going to put up a few million for training teachers to spot the signs of mental illness. I suspect that the many millions that would be needed to provide a proper amount of child psychiatry for children will not be forthcoming. In my area it is really really difficult to get a successful referral to the service (and it has to be via the GP).
Teachers may learn something from the training, but they are not going to instantly become psychotherapists.

durhamjen Mon 09-Jan-17 17:00:32

Did she say which pot she was going to take that money from, Jess? It won't be additional money.

whitewave Mon 09-Jan-17 17:09:21

Nope - no extra dosh -all to be done on fresh air

daphnedill Mon 09-Jan-17 17:39:00

I was reading that too. So teachers are to be trained to spot mental health issues in children, which most probably can anyway, but there still won't be any resources to do anything about them. Shameful!

I am so angry that May comes up with this kind of stuff.

daphnedill Mon 09-Jan-17 17:42:01

The 'training' will probably amount to a few hours on one of the non-pupil days. Wow! [sarcastic emoticon]

whitewave Mon 09-Jan-17 17:44:16

Apparently if you have a family member with severe mental health issues that have been dealt with by a specialist team in the past and your loved one has a crises the only place available to you your GP or A&E you can't go back for assistance to the specialist directly - a total waste of resources

daphnedill Mon 09-Jan-17 17:48:02

That's true. If a patient is discharged by a mental health team, he/she has to go to the back of the queue for treatment. The only other alternative is to commit a crime and be referred by the police.

whitewave Mon 09-Jan-17 17:50:44

That would be my choice then.

varian Mon 09-Jan-17 20:34:54

It was the Liberal Democrat MP Norman Lamb, while a minister in the coalition government from 2010 - 2015, who championed the cause of mental health. The Tories were not interesred. Teresa May seems to have realised rather late in the day that this is an important issue. Like so many other policy areas, the Tories pretend this is something they care about, never admitting they are late in the day to notice a problem that the the LibDems have been talking about for a long time. Let TM be judged by what she actually does about it.

durhamjen Mon 09-Jan-17 20:57:25

The reason they are all talking about mental health today is to deflect from the hospital crisis.
It will be back to normal next week.

durhamjen Tue 10-Jan-17 18:59:41

"The Conservatives fought the general election in 2015, on a manifesto which claimed ‘We say: Yes to the single market. Yes to turbocharging free trade. Yes to working together where we are stronger together than alone. Yes to a family of nation states, all part of the European Union.’ It is hard to see how those MPs elected on this manifesto, who campaigned hard to remain in the EU, and who acknowledge the benefits of market access and working together, will be able to fully support May’s government if it goes down the hard Brexit path. Some may even oppose any Brexit, certainly a costly and damaging one."

This is interesting. It makes you feel almost sorry for Theresa May. That's why she can't say anything about Brexit yet; it will cause civil war in the Tory party.

whitewave Tue 10-Jan-17 19:37:49

Quite a conundrm

whitewave Tue 10-Jan-17 20:05:02

I think May has been reading about the disaffected and populism..She even suggested that MPs who did not understand it would be in danger of driving these disaffected to vote the extreme right like UKIP.

JessM Tue 10-Jan-17 23:03:47

yup. But her response somehow rings hollow.

rosesarered Wed 11-Jan-17 11:01:48

Agree * Varian*. That Lib Dems have been talking about mental health for a long time and both Labour and Conservative governments have shoved it onto the back burner.
High time to do something constructive now, we will give Theresa May the time of this government to get going on promises.
Having our exit from the EU to deal with will take time, but plans for better mental health services could start right now.

daphnedill Wed 11-Jan-17 11:08:46

They could start by restoring what we used to have. I have personal experience of this. They won't, because it requires money for staff and buildings. There was nothing about resources in what May announced.

JessM Thu 12-Jan-17 17:54:29

Yes all flim-flam and a teensy bit of money for teacher training.

durhamjen Sat 14-Jan-17 17:26:45

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Ana Sun 15-Jan-17 17:20:52

This thread only ended yesterday. Have you actually read it all, Ankers?

DaphneBroon Sun 15-Jan-17 17:24:53

I thought Ankers said she hadn't been able to find it?

Ana Sun 15-Jan-17 17:48:16

I put a link up for her. There are of course two other Theresa May threads to catch up on, but it sounds as though Ankers wants spoon-feeding (again!).

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