Is the sexual orientation of a judge relevent?

Leaked report from consultant (front page, Times, today) implies they don't have a clue. But that lots of civil servants and consultants are beavering away on different bits. And that it is a great job creation scheme for civil service jobs (in London no doubt)
Trouble is PM is in a cleft stick. Damned economically if we leave the single market. Which will upset most of the business people who donate to her party as well as causing major economic problems. And damned in the ballot box if she lets down all the normally-tory voters who want to stop free movement. She can't have it both ways. The EU won't let her. But lets have lots of teams working expensively on all the options while she hopes for a road to Damascus moment.

I suppose it will be a diversion from the road to Shangri-La.

I see that a bill has been drawn up relating to A50 to present to parliament should they lose the court case.

I do think that they need to be less cowardly in admitting that they are finding it exceptionally difficult. No one would think any the worse of them, indeed it would help towards everyone pulling together in deciding what we want post Brexit uk to look like.

Rumour has it that the bill is just a few lines long as that would make it more difficult for anyone to try to amend it. Thus making it easier to push through parliament.

They can't feel particularly confident about the court case

Was anyone really expecting it not to be exceptionally difficult? I've had the impression since it was announced that the referendum would go ahead that most people think our withdrawal from the EU will be very difficult as well as causing various difficulties.

The Remain campaign certainly gave that impression and even Leave up to a point, the difference being that Leavers thought the difficulties were "worth it".

Spoke to hundreds of ordinary people in the run up to the referendum. I don't think many (any?) of them had any idea how complicated it would be to leave. Certainly nobody said "I think we should stay in because it would be very complicated to get out" The level of comprehension about what was involved and what was at stake was very low indeed. Most people seemed to think it was something very simple that could be accomplished quickly.
Favourite quote "I'm going to leave to keep out the illegal immigrants"
Hmmm.

I talked to hardly anyone about it and I always thought it would be complicated.

Most political things are.

I don't think anyone realised how complicated it would be, either. But a lot of people had made their minds up long before all the campaigning which way they were going to vote.

Why would a determined Leaver vote to Remain just because it might be a bit messy to sort out the leaving process?

I know Remain voters are desperate for answers, but everyone's going to have to wait.

Remain voters aren't desperate for answers. I am quite relaxed about it, looking forward to seeing how the Brexiteers work it out.
I notice that Boris has said today that Turkey should be allowed to join the EU and have capital punishment, which is completely against EU law.
The man doesn't have a clue.

Well the Remain voters on GN certainly seem desperate for answers (apart from you of course!).

Favourite quote "I'm going to leave to keep out the illegal immigrants"
I only heard, second-hand of one person who said that, and she didn't include the word 'illegal' and she was under 25 btw!!

I'll no doubt get shouted down for this question, but what exactly is so awful about being opposed to illegal immigration? Such a stance does not imply bigotry, just respect for the rule of law, surely?

Who's opposed to illegal immigration? #losttheplot

See JessM's post of 18.02

Aha! Just seen the post. I must admit that before the referendum I saw a couple of vox populi interviews, in which people said they were voting Leave to keep out the Muslims (presumably from Pakistan and Bangladesh).

This is interesting, comparing how the law works in the UK and the US as far as Trump and Brexit are concerned.

www.lawgazette.co.uk/comment-and-opinion/trump-brexit-and-the-rule-of-law/5058793.article

It was the fact that he thought that leaving the EU would somehow stop illegal immigration Bags.
But I also had a woman in her 80s telling me that immigrants were coming "here" to rape and steal so she was going to vote leave. This in a town with - well if they have a dozen "immigrants" including the Chinese takeaway family, I'd be surprised.
Quite a lot of people said quite openly they were voting leave because of immigration in fact.
But only one thought it would magically prevent illegal migration
Lots of people were completely oblivious to the fact that the UK had a massive debt (my argument being that we were not in great shape to go it alone)
I'm not relaxed about leaving the EU. Bad enough we have a government intent on punishing the poor and dismantling the NHS. But we also have one that seems to be rushing headlong into trashing the economy, causing a massive problem for poor old Ireland, and wasting a fortunes worth of civil service salaries in the process.

So are you saying that he was stupid to expect Cameron to keep to his undertaking of reducing immigration (legal and illegal, I presume) to 100,000 or less per year? (I think Cameron was stupid to give that undertaking, btw, but he did).

I've nothing to say about people who are opposed to all immigration. I just don't understand that attitude. Immigration simply wasn't one of the things I was concerned about during the referendum campaign.

I'm not relaxed about leaving the EU. I'm quite excited about it. Whether that will last only time will tell.

Just to clarify, I'm excited about leaving the EU. We are not, of course, leaving Europe.

I bet Theresa May isn't excited about it, or the three Brexiteers.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/11/15/may-s-refusal-to-try-for-an-interim-brexit-deal-led-her-to-t

"The leaked Cabinet Office report published last night correlates so exactly with the warnings of critics of Brexit that they might as well have written it themselves.

The memo, published by the Times, found that there was urgent need for 30,000 more staff to deal with the 500 projects started as a result of Brexit. Individual departments had best and worst case scenarios, but there was no joined up thinking at the top. There is no plan."

bags what are you exited about?

Oh dear - excited!