Is the sexual orientation of a judge relevent?

Fake/False News? Post-truth? Who knows any more...?

Yes, well, like I said, it was/is deceptive. First sentence 'qualifies' the misleading header by using the phrase 'foreign-born'. Yes, BJ is foreign-born but not foreign. I expect there are quite a lot of others.

So it does look as if whoever wrote that piece is being deliberately misleading.

It was the Times that did it.

Headline - 95% of new workers are foreigners.

The number of people in work increased by 454,000 between July and September last year and the same period this year. Workers born overseas made up nearly 95 per cent of the increase — just over 430,000.

However, if you look at the Political Scrapbook link above, you will see that they are wrong. As it said, Boris Johnson could be included in those figures.

Not sure what you're getting at, maiz. There's a big difference between "foreign" and "foreign-born". Why would newspapers use the phrase "foreign-born" except to bump up the number of supposed "foreigners", i.e. immigrants?

Thanks djen

she must feel a bit daft now.

ps there are still lots of jobs advertised there and it is, in fact, quite a nice area although people always think 'Oh, the Black Country'
The Anglo-Saxons must have liked it there anyway:
Brownhills - Gold Hoard capital of Britain
The "Staffordshire Hoard" was discovered by amateur metal detector Terry Herbert in a field belonging to a farmer Fred Johnson, near Brownhills on the 5th July 2009. His find turned out to be the largest Anglo-Saxon hoard of gold ever found in the country - over 3,500 items in total - about 11lb of gold and 3 lb of silver. The artefacts of the Mercian Kingdom of 7th or 8th Century were declared treasure and so belong to The Crown. The hoard was valued at £3.285 million. The value of the hoard was shared between the finder and the landowner.^

Oh, sorry, Jalima. She said it at PMQs this week. It was one of those planted questions, obviously, because no PM would ever know statistics like that unless the question was fed to her department first.
Fullfact checks all PMQs and QTs, as well as lots of other stuff.

Jalima, if you read the two sentences under the fullfact you quote, it says only 78,000 people live in the constituency. Only 39,000 of them were employed in the relevant months. So there couldn't have been an 88,000 increase unless they suddenly took in thousands of refugees.
I realise that djen!
It would be impossible.

But I just wondered when she said it - and who on earth gave her the patently wrong statisitics!

On the above link, Ana. If Boris isn't a foreigner, neither are thousands of other new workers here. That's the point of the article.

I just put this on the post-truth thread.

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/11/here-is-why-newspaper-claims-that-most-new-jobs-are-going-to-foreigners-are-often-wrong/

The Times said that 95% of new workers are foreigners. The link shows why they are not.

Jalima, if you read the two sentences under the fullfact you quote, it says only 78,000 people live in the constituency. Only 39,000 of them were employed in the relevant months. So there couldn't have been an 88,000 increase unless they suddenly took in thousands of refugees.

Oh! On another thread a poster says Boris Johnson is a 'foreigner'. Don't think he's an immigrant, well perhaps he was about 52 years ago...

I don't think anyone would use the phrase 'foreign born' in this context (i.e. Brexit & immigration related) in such a pedantic way, thatbags. In these threads it mostly just means 'immigrant'.

Foreign born does not necessarily mean not British. Using a phrase like "foreign-born", which includes and excludes no-one knows whom, is deceptive.

Well, sorry but it did sound a bit as if you were saying 'oh, for goodness' sake, this old woman in her 80s thinks immigrants are going to come and do something awful to her, how ridiculous is that'.

Perhaps that's not how it was meant.

Why should they be?

80% new jobs went to foreign born workers. I expect Brexiters are happy about that.

I might have been a tiny bit impressed if Google had announced they were creating jobs in say Sheffield, Hartlepool, Newcastle...... in fact anywhere in the North or indeed anywhere outside of that bubble that is London.

Seeing as 70,000 is going to be the average size of a constituency that the boundaries review is aiming at, and that these new constituencies are going to be, on average, bigger than the current average, surely "any fule know" that number is impossible.
Jalima FFS who do you think would be mocking?
And she didn't seem remotely anxious. Because the immigrants "round here" were nice! Just the ones that wanted to come here were the problem. (The entire Turkish nation etc)

I see that a certain group of posters still persist in sneering and snide remarks. Think I'll give this thread a miss.

Apart from the link in my post above, could you direct me to where Theresa May made her mistake about the Brownhills constituency please djen?

JessM But I also had a woman in her 80s telling me that immigrants were coming "here" to rape and steal so she was going to vote leave. This in a town with - well if they have a dozen "immigrants" including the Chinese takeaway family, I'd be surprised.
I do hope that no-one mocked this old lady as she was obviously quite frightened.
Did anyone offer to go round and make sure she had a chain on here front door and decent locks on her doors or at least get in touch with someone who could reassure her as to the safety of her home?
I am being serious btw.

Is this where you got your facts from djen?

fullfact.org/economy/unemployment-ten-year-low/
And it’s correct that the unemployment rate is the lowest it’s been for over ten years.
But it can’t possibly be correct that:
“...^in the past year, employment in [Wendy Morton’s] constituency of Aldridge-Brownhills has gone up by 88,000.^

There are still pages of jobs advertised in the Express and Star for that area. Exciting opportunities for anyone who lives there or wants to move there.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-fresh-blow-for-theresa-may-as-supreme-court-rules-scotland-and-wales-can-intervene-in-article-a7424796.html

The court case about article 50.

I hate the total lack of civic empathy as well, particularly from the DWP, the NHS, the treasury, the justice department.....etc.

Theresa May also said today

“...in the past year, employment in [Wendy Morton’s] constituency of Aldridge-Brownhills has gone up by 88,000.”

Theresa May, 16 November 2016

Obviously it was one of those planted questions.

Unfortunately there are only about 78,000 people living in the Aldridge-Brownhills constituency, according to latest estimates.

Around 39,000 people were employed from July 2015 to June 2016. That’s about 4,500 more than the previous year. It’s not clear whether this is statistically significant.

From Fullfact. I don't trust her statistics.

I'm glad someone else gets it, roses. Not that I mind when people don't agree or even don't understand. It's the ferocious glaring across yawning chasms of suspicion and disgust, the total lack of civic empathy and tolerance that knocks the wind out of one.