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Jane10 Wed 09-Nov-16 05:53:51

Trump. How could all those people vote for him?
Ochone ochone (Gaelic lamentation)

Ana Fri 11-Nov-16 21:42:39

It won't last though, it'll just be business as usual when all the fuss dies down.

durhamjen Fri 11-Nov-16 21:40:07

One good thing to come out of the Trump vote.

'Smith & Wesson, which announced earlier this week that it will change its name to the highly generic American Outdoor Brands, has seen its stock tank on the news of Donald Trump’s presidency. A Donald Trump presidency means gun-owners will not perceive an immediate threat to the availability of guns, which means no fear-buoyed impulse purchases of American Outdoor Brands firearms, which in turn means a 20 percent crash in the value of the company. [Bloomberg]'

whitewave Fri 11-Nov-16 21:34:51

Anyone know if Katie Hopkins has moved yet?

Jalima Fri 11-Nov-16 21:05:15

Yes

whitewave Fri 11-Nov-16 21:04:31

Didn't the American voter vote against dynasties?

Jalima Fri 11-Nov-16 21:02:44

what did I say?
He's grooming Barron to be President in (counts on fingers) 2036!

Ginny42 Fri 11-Nov-16 21:00:47

I have just read in the Guardian online that on Trump's Presidential Transition Team Executive Committee are:
Donald Trump Jr.
Eric Trump
Ivanka Trump

Nepotism?

On the positive side it is reported in the Wall Street journal that he wants to preserve important pieces of Obama's health care law, i.e. the ban on coverage denial for pre-existing conditions and the ability for kids up to 26 to stay on parents’ plans.

“I like those very much,” he said.

Jalima Fri 11-Nov-16 20:50:12

one man, several men?
One man can't be called hysterical but several men can? confused

trisher Fri 11-Nov-16 20:45:16

That's men not a man. It's also a title so can't really be used as an example of someone calling a man hysterical.

Strangely enough QT is built around people who make a living from the sound of their own voices- they're called politicians.

Jalima Fri 11-Nov-16 20:42:45

Falstaff? hmm

Old, large and lecherous

Jalima Fri 11-Nov-16 20:40:59

This is rather long, sorry:

Mark Micale’s Hysterical Men: the Hidden History of Male Nervous Illness (2008) is a panoramic survey of the history of male hysteria, stretching from c.1900 BC to c.1900 AD. The very existence of this book demonstrates how far histories of psychiatry and masculinity have come in only a few short years. In 1995, when Micale’s magisterial historiographical survey of writings on hysteria, Approaching Hysteria: Disease and its Interpretations was published, only a handful of pages could be devoted to male hysteria because so little had been written on the topic. Much of the short discussion centred on Micale’s own research and Showalter’s essays on shell shock, although Micale could also point to recent research on literary male nervousness and was sanguine that future scholarship would be fruitful.(13) In the intervening years, awareness of the extent to which the construction of mental illness is a gendered process has grown, yet hysteria has continued to be identified as a female malady. Hysterical Men therefore fills a noticeable gap in the literature, and although it stops short of 1914, it is a history with important consequences for understandings of shell shock.

Between writing Approaching Hysteria and Hysterical Men, Micale co-edited one of the most important collections of historical essays on trauma in recent years, Traumatic Pasts: History, Psychiatry and Trauma in the Modern Age, 1870–1930.(14) The other editor of this essential collection, Paul Lerner, is also an expert on male hysteria, although to date the chronological and geographical scope of his studies has been somewhat narrower. Lerner’s Hysterical Men: War, Psychiatry, and the Politics of Trauma in Germany, 1890-1930, first published in 2003, has recently been reprinted in paperback form. It therefore formed part of the wave of works on shell shock in the early 2000s, and the reprint attests to the continued appeal of the topic. In the more affordable format this excellent book, still the only English language monograph on shell shock in Germany, will hopefully reach the wider audience it deserves.

The studies of Micale and Lerner both begin with, and largely focus on, hysteria as a formal medical diagnosis. Each author demonstrates that medical concepts of hysteria were not objective scientific descriptions of natural phenomena, but were rather shaped by prevailing social and cultural mores, and in some times and places, driven by powerful political and economic imperatives. Both also show that medicine has never been able to contain hysteria; it has always also existed as metaphor and cultural trope. This is medical history in its most generous dimensions, firmly embedding notions of physical and psychological health and illness in the broader historical context, and therefore encompassing not only the relations of doctors to the state or to their patients, but also such diverse topics as the formation of class and gender identities and the interplay of medicine, literature, and art

But you did say you would love to see an example.

whitewave Fri 11-Nov-16 20:40:35

Yes jalima I can think of any number grin

Jalima Fri 11-Nov-16 20:34:47

whitewave I sometimes think many of them have a personality disorder or perhaps are would-be actors (on the political stage rather than Stratford!)

Whatever, many of them like the sound of their own voices.
And opinions.

Jalima Fri 11-Nov-16 20:32:23

Yes, I knew who was who but didn't realise the other woman was a psychologist - I knew she was 'Republicans Overseas'
Perhaps DH said something or I coughed when that was announced.

Hysterical Men: War, Psychiatry and the Politics of Trauma in Germany, 1890-1930
Paul Lerner
Ithaca, NY, Cornell University Press, 2003, ISBN: 9780801440946; 326pp.; Price: £55.95

OMG you watched and didn't bother who was who?
why or why are your posts so confrontational?
I won't say hysterical

rosesarered Fri 11-Nov-16 20:31:26

Jalima and POGS you are both posting calm and reasonable posts ( as ever)
But that is not what a lot of people here want to read, so if you are not writing ...the world going to Hell in a handcart/all is lost/nothing good can ever happen now/etc then it won't be taken seriously.

whitewave Fri 11-Nov-16 20:25:34

He has a narcistic personality, but really that could be true of a lot of politicians

trisher Fri 11-Nov-16 20:23:41

OMG you watched and didn't bother who was who? Long haired blonde was professor and short dark hair was psychologist. LHB was anti-Trump SDH had voted for him although she thought he might have mental problems.
Never seen the word hysterical applied to men (apart from comedians) if you can find an example love to see it.

whitewave Fri 11-Nov-16 20:23:01

I can never remember a time when there was so much to worry about.

Those people living in an extreme climate already are being terribly affected by climate change.

I feel very gloomy and unconvinced that we will reverse the disaster that is creeping up on us all.

Jalima Fri 11-Nov-16 20:15:24

was she a psychologist?

Not saying anything, it would be construed as anti-American

durhamjen Fri 11-Nov-16 20:09:54

Did you notice the American psychologist interrupt the professor, then say "Let me finish" when she was interrupted?

Jalima Fri 11-Nov-16 20:08:32

Just because the word hysteria was applied to women centuries ago does not mean that men cannot become hysterical.

Or perhaps they just rant.
Or have a case of spermatorrhoea

durhamjen Fri 11-Nov-16 20:07:35

This is worrying.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/11/trump-presidency-a-disaster-for-the-planet-climate-change

Of course, it's from the Guardian and about climate change, so it's not really relevant, is it?
Just some people trying to stir things.

Jalima Fri 11-Nov-16 20:05:09

oh sorry, passion and eloquence!!

We had to turn the sound down and got fed up when she talked over everyone else and shook her head repeatedly if anyone else made a point.

OK - passionate perhaps - and intransigent and blinkered.
But people can surely make their point without being so loud and waving their arms around and making rude faces when anyone else speaks, having no respect for anyone else's opinions.
Yvette Cooper was not loud or hysterical interrupting others all the time.
I have heard many people state their beliefs in a firm, positive way and listen to others who may differ with respect - even though they do not agree with them.

Loudness, shouting and vociferousness just antagonise other people and they immediately lose their audience and their argument. The 'off' switch comes into operation and wins over no-one.

He's not influencing me in the slightest !
Why on earth would you say that just because I pointed out a fact?

trisher Fri 11-Nov-16 19:42:46

Who was the "hysterical" woman on QT? Do you mean the American professor who made her points with passion and eloquence? Oh I forgot women who have beliefs, and speak loudly and vociferously must, of course, be "hysterical". Trump is evidently already influencing some people. Or could it be that the ideas that lie at the root and origin of that word are still held by some people?

Jalima Fri 11-Nov-16 19:19:53

djen I think people could have voted brexit for reasons known to themselves but still be horrified at the election of Trump as President.
The two are not synonymous - even if Farage believes they are!

Could he yet be charged with tax evasion?
He's admitted it