Brexit 5

Since we are all interested in Brexit, I should think we will all be posting from time to time.

No, niggly you haven't missed anything ( nothing worthwhile at any rate)

Yes, you probably have missed something, niggly. Never mind!

Tally ho!

Agreed then!

Those of us who feel we want to comment on the progress of Brexit can do so. Those who aren't interested can ignore the thread.

Way hay! Democracy rules!

As for 'trying to shut down the thread' - impossible on GN unless H decide to delete it!

We've had heavy black lines drawn in the past, which of course just made people post even more...

Some odd comments on here!! No wonder cunco doesn't want to comment anymore!! Identity to hide? why the need to reveal it if you do t want to?!! needn't comment anymore, you too roses?!! Have I missed something?

Why should cunco have an identity to hide?What a very odd thing to say.He has mentioned his wife on another thread, so a lot of us knew that he was a man.

Who said that I hadn't anything further to add?
It's also ridiculous to think that the Cabinet will go into negotiations without a plan, of course they will want the best deal, the moon on a stick, and there will be push and pull until a compromise is reached.
There won't really be anything new on BREXIT this side of Christmas.

I jolly well hope that somebody does know what they want Brexit to mean. It's absolutely ridiculous that people should go into negotiations without a plan and a mandate on the form it should take.

Cunco can sigh as much as he/she wants. His/her posts struck me as somebody with an identity to hide. Just saying!

He/she hadn't been a member that long (allegedly) so there was plenty which could be discussed. The process hasn't even started yet, roses, but if you have nothing further to add, you also have the choice to ignore the thread.

I can imagine cunco heaving an exasperated sigh over your post dd as he posted a perfectly polite and reasonable explanation about why he did not want to continue going over old ground on this thread.
I don't think any MP is on the back foot and nobody will know exactly what Brexit means ( other than leaving the EU) until negotiations begin.

Sorry, she lost me by using 'remoaner'. If she wants a grown-up debate, she needs to use grown-up language. She was one of the worst to lie about the NHS and keep going on about 'taking back control' like some mantra, whilst dodging what it actually meant.

Like the others, she's on the back foot, because she doesn't really know what Brexit means.

What Gisella Stuart says.

It sounds as though you are trying to shut down the thread. It is probably true that people have said much about Brexit, but it's not over yet by a long way.

I also have dictionaries - print and online - so am perfectly capable of looking up the definition of 'sovereignty'. If you have access to academic libraries, you will also find that reams have been written about the concept. As you quite rightly claim, even 'experts' can't agree. It would appear that you are unwilling/unable to give a definition which links with the EU. Ah well!

If you have found FullFact inaccurate, maybe you could give examples. I have used the site in the past and followed the links which it gives. I queried something once, so emailed the site owners. I received a reply within a few days explaining a misunderstanding. A note was subsequently added to the article. Maybe you should do the same, before you rubbish the site.

If you're not interested in further contributions to the thread, it's really not too difficult to avoid it and allowing people who want to discuss further to do so.

Daphne: My dictionary definition of 'sovereignty' will do for me. My approach to analysis is to use different sources to educate myself. Here, I have used Full Fact to test some statements said to be fact and found that they are not. Of course, Full Fact could be wrong but it was suggested here as being unbiased and so I used Full Fact.

I will look at other sources but perhaps give this thread a rest. It has been stimulating but the same people now seem to be churning over the same ground. That is not a criticism, just not something I am interested in doing.

David Davies says he would consider a contribution to the EU in order to stay in the single market. (Hope he ran that one past May first.)

Bang goes the £350 million a week.

So what do they want to get out of by leaving the EU?
Workers rights?
Human Rights?

Of course the PM is a vicar's daughter isn't she. Maybe she was the other one (apart from the new member for Richmond) who believed the nonsense about her being on the side of the just managing classes.
Like Cameron probably believed that his would be the greenest government ever. Instead of the least green, as it turned out.

Indeed so, roses. I actually felt rather sorry for her thrown in the deep end like that. Perhaps the 'flunkies' had not done sufficient homework and found out how incisive Julia HB could be. Ah well. Good luck, SarahJ.

I don't think I understand the argument that a democratic vote that can be overturned in four years is different from a democratic vote that can't. Anyhow, who's to say there won't ever be a similar European federation that the UK could join in future? Nothing is forever. Change happens.

There was a delay in posting this because MrBags found that his bestest headphones had been chewed by a mouse. ?

The new MP doesn't have much experience.....it will be a learning curve for her!

Julia Hartley-Brewer is an excellent speaker, and clear and forthright.She is often on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday morning.

Excellent post, Ginny. I completely agree with you. Much more important than a snooty reporter being nasty to a new MP.

I am surprised you did not notice, bags, you're usually so on the ball.

Except, Petra, it's not Julia Bradbury. You ought to get your Julias right.
Julia Hartley-Brewer writes for the Express.

I think Julia is missing the point completely that a bye election vote is till the end of the Parliamentary term - less than four years in this case and there will be a re run of the election - whereas a Referendum is for good - quite a difference.
Sarah was quite clear on how she would vote if the Commons eventually get to vote on the terms.
During the campaign the Leave camp simply dismissed all statements by the Remain side as scaremongering but it would now seem that Julia agrees they were in fact telling the truth !!

After listening to that, I think she's a match for Paxman. The embarrassment got worse ( as if it could) when one of Sarah's flunky's came on the line and said that Sarah had another interview: Julia replied: oh that's funny, she's booked in with me.