An oath on British Values?

Well thanks for checking up on that vampirequeen. The information I'd got from Google was obviously out of date.

thatbags Mon 05-Dec-16 13:51:41
I think that is perfectly reasonable and other countries adopt that attitude.
Hence my reiteration of the Australian oath of citizenship, which may or may not include God as decided by the partaker of the oath.

forgot to add the link
www.bathnes.gov.uk/services/births-marriages-and-deaths/burials-and-cremations/cremations

Bath, Torbay, Accrington and others - quite a few if you Google it Elegran. Crosses have been permanently removed 'in case they offend those of other religions'.

Ana, I went on the Bath Crematorium website. Crosses have not been removed but they are 'removable' so that the chapels can be used by people of any or no faith.

'The chapel
Haycombe crematorium chapel seats 75 people, but the burial (or Top) chapel seats 140, with much more standing room. Use of the burial chapel is availablefor ahalf hour service free of charge, in addtion to the crematorium slot. This istoencourage its use for larger funerals or where a longer service time is required.
Haycombe provides a service to people of all faiths and beliefs, and our facilities are designed to be accessible to everyone.
There is disabled access to both the crematorium and burial (Top) chapels.
Both are fitted with loop systems (as is the main office).
Both have a wheelchair available on request.
There are large print editions of hymn books and service books.
Disable toilets and public toilets are adjacent to both chapels.
All crosses are removable'

.daphne, the church doesn't carry out cremations

What are you on about, petra? I never said anything about blacks.

Washerwoman, I will only send them to my EU friends and relatives who think we are mad to leave. I won't send one to anyone I might offend. I have lots of others.
The point, which you so plainly missed, was that even those say Merry Christmas.

Washerwoman that is a very insightful and interesting post.

We used to live in an area of London where there seemed to be full integration and respect for each other's beliefs. Some families were Indian and others were Ugandan Asian but all modern in their outlook and their ideals and aims were the same as for all of us - to earn a living, provide for our children and for our children to receive a good education for their future. However, I think the difference between that and another nearby borough where women seemed to be downtrodden and subservient (many of them worked where DH worked so he had first-hand experience of that) was, I think, education and cultural expectations. I would have hoped that the children of these women, being educated in this country, would have a different outlook on life and liberty, but your post does not fill me with optimism that this is happening.

.durhamjen as there are hardly any blacks from anywhere in this town and you don't have a passport so don't travel, all your opinions aren't from personnel observations but what you read?

We got on fine with people in Europe before the EU and nothing has changed.

Anyone from another European country I meant.Bah humbug.Off to eat my dinner.

Oh for goodness sake DJ those cards!Our dear friends from Ireland have just stayed with us,and my daughters about to visit her girlfriends family in Italy,where she gets a very warm welcome.Both families know we voted Leave and totally respect why, but the inference is that as a Remain voter only you can like or respect anyone another European country.Who's being divisive now!

I find it odd and rather offensive that you so casually refer to 'blacks' daphnedill.

daphnedill, crematoriums/ia are not just for secular funerals. The service can be of any religion or none.

That's an unusual hobby, daphne, looking inside crematoria.
Dare I ask why.

Thank you for your reply earlier Daphnedill. Some time ago I tried to get an answer from you when you posted a statement saying some places were negative to all things foreign,and I asked where in your oppinion that may be you disappeared off the thread and I never found out, but never mind now and in hindsight I must confess I wanted to know because I was annoyed at the time as I suspected living in a northern, Leave voting area we were all being lumped together as zenophobic bigots.And as my post today tried to convey most people are far more tolerant than they are given credit for,just as most of our Muslim communities are moderate and proud to be British.There are so many variables really aren't there?And yes I agree I would hope Dame Casey's report leads to genuine consideration of what can be better done to assist integration,rather than fuelling the small minority who are racist.

No, it wasn't tongue in cheek, Ana. There really are hardly any blacks in the town where I live - maybe a couple of dozen at most. I know one of the families, because I tutored the children and they are very strict Christians. All the children get up early on Sunday to go to church, have to read the bible daily and belong to the church choir. Whenever I see pictures of the choir in the paper, about a third of the members are black (including the family I know). I recognise some of the other singers and I know they're originally from Nigeria too.

@ annie There are still far more Christians in the UK than there are Muslims - and many people who want Christian baptisms, marriages and funerals without necessarily being believers.

I've bought some cards from www.radicalteatowel.com which are to all our friends in Europe. They still wish a Merry Christmas, from the 48%.....wishing we were there. I know we still are at the moment, but will not be soon.

Oh how I haven't missed those endless links...

I can't claim to be an expert on funerals, but I always thought a crematorium was for a secular funeral. If people want a religious ceremony, can't they have it in a church?

I went to a funeral a couple of years ago, where the service was in a church (Baptist) and then the coffin was taken off to the crematorium.

I've been looking at the insides of a few crematoria(?). Most still seem to have quite prominent crosses (which could be removed, I suppose), but I thought this one was quite tasteful in a secular way.

brilliantmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/fastest-growing-religions.png

Not according to this map. It's folk/other.

Why not remove the cross from a crematorium , how many being cremated are Christians?

Islam is the fastest growing faith and Christianity is the fastest faith in decline

As there are hardly any blacks from anywhere in this town, it must mean most of them are in the choir.

Was that meant to be tongue-in-cheek daphnedill? It sounded rather a strange comment to make...

What do people think of the proliferation of 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Happy Christmas'? I must say it really jars!

When my husband was cremated, I never even noticed whether there was a cross or not. Wasn't really thinking about it.

Yes, Elegran, that was the one I expected people to look at.
I wonder if John Crace's wife will do that. I'm sure he'll let us know.

Yet, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the U.K.