An oath on British Values?

..espcially when they later bring in a wife from their homeland.

Can't help noticing the assumption that these graduates are male.

A horrible idea, mair, low grade economic immigrants.

"You do realise that this study was a basic input output snapshot and did not take into account immigrants lack of previous contributions to the infrastructure they use (roads, schools, hospitals, housing etc paid for by our parents and grandparents), or the changing impact they are likely to have over time, dont you?"

Right from when I was a baby, my parents had Nigerian, German, Italian and West Indian trainee and qualified doctors, nurses, architects, lawyers and teachers living in our house. That's just from memory.
They were not low grade economic migrants. They were the people that designed and staffed our schools, hospitals and other buildings.
I find your posts very sinister.

If you mean "people willing to do minimum wage work, work inconvenient hours and live in overcrowded conditions"

I am amazed that people on the left are keen to encourage this.
There used to be a name for workers who accepted such conditions - blacklegs!

well if we stopped taking in EU and other visitors <sic> who were willing to tick those boxes, London would grind to a halt. No catering of any kind, no cleaning, no hotels open etc etc

What absolute rubbish Jess. Nobody is talking of throwing out those already here, simply preventing low paying employers importing more!

Of course it would be harder for employers to fill those roles, and what a good thing, more power to the workers eh? Dont you approve of that?

It would also encourage more mechanisation (good), more flexibility of working conditions (very good espcially for women),
and mean some of the poorer badly run businesses would go bust. Whats not to like?

Yes, Maizie. The immigrants in my family all came here as students, graduated and stayed, then married men.
They weren't "brought in".

"A horrible idea, mair, low grade economic immigrants"

Which was NOT a term I used.
Learn to read.

dj I introduced the term because it is a term Farage uses so I have no doubt he, as ex- leader or is he leader now I can't keep track, would use that to describe immigrants that carry out unskilled labour. He is such a charmer isn't he??

Maizie said:

espcially when they later bring in a wife from their homeland.

Can't help noticing the assumption that these graduates are male.

Fair point Maizie (though trivial nit picking)

And yes definitely women too who later bring in a husband!
But due to the extremely patriarchal nature of most Third World societies I am confident you will still find the majority of university students from those countries are still male even in the twenty first century.

WW
I am still waiting for you to develop your claim that you do not support uncontrolled immigration from the EU despite being a devoted Bremoaner Remainer?

No need for coyness!

Third World!!!!!! Blimey haven't heard that used for about 30 years.

My son made many friends at university from China. Not one of them remained in the U.K. He spent a lot of time travelling with them and some of them did stay in other countries, but most are now back either in China or HK.

Interrogating again mair ?

And where on earth did this idea that Australians are only coming here as professionals like doctors. Visit any big city and London in particular and you will find Aussies in many jobs like bar work and catering. As Adam Hill said on The Last Leg, "That's OK we will all b****r off home and you can pull your own pints" (approximate quote). They sometimes stay they sometimes don't.
Immigrants are like any other section of the population, there are costs and benefits. The trouble with what is happening now is we are in danger of losing the benefits because of stupid, unfounded, hysterical reactions. By the time we realise what is happening it will be too late and we will be left with badly staffed, inadequate services in the NHS, a lack of professional staff all round and no service industries whatsoever. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater!

Hear hear

Re women from other countries and degrees- at my GSs birthday party I was talking to a mum from his nursery, both parents were from Dubai and studying for their Masters degrees.

I was interrupted by the doorbell before I had finished my post about different kin ds of incomers, so I posted with it incomplete. I meant to add other reasons for people being here - education (and paying heavily for the privilege), war and repression in their home countries, natural disasters on scales unknown here, depletion of resources in their own countries by multinational companies making money for the already wealthy, the chance of employment here in jobs that the natives seem not to want (too degrading to clean up for others or serve them?) IO am sure there are many more reasons too.

You can't just divide them into those with high-grade qualifications (to be welcomed) and low-grade qualifications (to be banned)

"Third World!!!!!! Blimey haven't heard that used for about 30 years."
Sneering again WW?
(Not to mention trying to dictate what words other posters may us!)

Well youve been keeping your eyes closed

www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/04/the-term-third-world-country-refers-to-the-politics-and-economic-structure-of-a-country-not-its-developmental-state-or-wealth/

www.globalissues.org/issue/28/third-world-debt-undermines-development

www.britannica.com/topic/Third-World-debt

And where on earth did this idea that Australians are only coming here as professionals like doctors. Visit any big city and London in particular and you will find Aussies in many jobs like bar work and catering.
All kinds of jobs from bar work up to Government Ministers (although not sure if we have any at the present time).

Australian nurses have to jump through many hoops to work in the UK - including taking an English language examination at their own expense - whereas nurses from the EU do not. That is a very odd situation. Plus a visa and probably they may well be required to take a Masters degree, again at their own expense.
www.nurseuncut.com.au/how-australians-can-get-nursing-jobs-in-the-uk/

Elegran
Of course we know there are various reasons why people come here, but you are drifting.

My response was to Jess's use of the MOs piece of research suggesting immigrants were an economic 'benefit' and the distinction I made was purely in an economic context hence perfectly valid. This is the trouble when people join a thread without having followed previous posts. We all do it I know, but it does lead to red herrings!

EU nurses do have to take an English language test.

www.britishcouncil.org/organisation/press/european-nurses-must-prove-english-ability-practise-uk

My Danish daughter in law had to take an English exam before she was allowed to become a teaching assistant, even though she had a degree in psychology froman English university and an MA in librarianship from another English university.
Very odd!

Learn to read, Mair? I accept you were not the first person to use the phrase,so sorry, but you have talked about low grade immigrants more than the average GNer.
You also talk about Farage more than other GNers, so it's easy to mix you up with other UKIPpers.
Sorry again, if that's not true.

Hope I never taught any of your kids to read.

I am still waiting for WW to say how she proposes EU immigration should be controlled if we were going to remain within the EU, and what would be an acceptable level since she is adamant she does NOT support unlimited uncontrolled immigration.

Sneering and diversionary tactics are her response.

I am genuinely curious to know if any other dedicated Remainers feel the same way?
You do not want mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, and yet you don't really care about it very much and dont want to think about the numbers too much either? Would that be how you feel?

Good to drift sometimes, Elegran.

"but you have talked about low grade immigrants more than the average GNer"

On the contrary I have specifically avoided that phrase Durham as your pal WW explained to you.

Strangely, whitewave is the person I consider never sneers.
But then, I would say that, wouldn't I?
However, I assume lots of others will say the same, even those who disagree with me on lots of things.

But due to the extremely patriarchal nature of most Third World societies I am confident you will still find the majority of university students from those countries are still male even in the twenty first century.

So are these the 'immigrants' who really worry you? The ones who we have always had 'control' of?

It isnt the only tool in her kitbag (as with some) certainly Durham.