An oath on British Values?

By voting for the UK to remain in the EU I accepted the 4 principles , that is so bleeding obvious it doesn't need discussing - a child could have worked that out.

So you do support uncontrolled EU immigration then!
Thank you for that WW, I wonder why you lied about it earlier.

You are treading very close to the line * mair*

It's hardly 'extremist propaganda' to not want unlimited immigration into the UK.Most people if not all, accept that immigration is needed, but that doesn't mean that just anyone can stroll in here in an unlimited way ( except it does from 27 EU countries)
To keep banging on about xenophobia/ racism/extremism is plainly ridiculous.Why not have the number of immigrants working and living here that you actually want and need and not just numbers that continually go up and up and up?

TBH whitewave, I think you are too!

Err.. I have said what I think! Funnily enough just because a group of people all disagree with one poster does not mean they all have the same opinion on the situation!

Give me an example ana

What this discussion is about....those who hate any talk about limiting immigrant numbers to the UK, and those of us who think that unlimited immigration is not a good thing.That's all there is to it.
So, all this about returning to the 30's ( yes, we know where that is going!) should cease, and posters should remember that it's not a matter of right or wrong, good or evil, but coming at a subject from different sides.
People did vote for Brexit for different reasons, but having our own controls over everything, including immigration makes sense to many.

Just had a phone call from DD to rescue them in Pevensey a good hour away, car broken down so enjoy your evening folks!!

Hmmmm....

One 15 year old boy in a town near where I live decided to create a hostile environment....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38171588

@dj

I agree with you. If she did a degree in the UK, I really am surprised that she had to prove she was IELTS7 proficient. She would have had to prove that to get on to the degree course, if it was after a certain year (can't remember exactly when). It could be that the school's administrators have got it wrong - which wouldn't be the first time.

The GCSE is for everybody, because it's possible to get on to a degree course without maths, English and science GCSE.

I'm not so clear about the requirements for TAs as I am for teachers. The minimum requirements for teachers are a statutory requirement, but I always thought (apart from the GCSEs) was up to the headteacher or local authority (if it's an authority school).

A common language? The EU's common language is English. There's some discussion about which language will be adopted once the UK leaves. Malta and/or the Republic of Ireland might adopt English as their official language.

Methinks anybody who thinks that the EU wants to adopt a common language for everybody living in the EU is living in some kind of fantasy world.

ww,

Is your DD with William the Conqueror? Isn't the message a bit late? You just can't rely on the postal services these days! (sigh)

As far as overseas students go expect see more, most unis are actively recruiting students quite often from rich middle and far eastern countries. These pay huge fees, occupy student accommodation and are the reason universities continue to exist.
mair the idea that immigrants are responsible for all the ills in this country is the best piece of propaganda the right wing have ever managed. The reason for the working class housing problems in London is nothing to do with immigration, it is a concerted effort to make the London property market as lucrative as possible. If you want to stop immigration let's start with the Russian and Arab millionaires who own heaps of property in London, not to live in but purely for profit. Let's confiscate unoccupied housing and turn it into social housing.
And yes I am entirely in favour of unlimited EU migration, because I have the sense to realise it is a two way procedure and people move in both directions, which benefits everyone.

She's quite 'mature' and had worked as a nurse for years before she came to the UK, so maybe that counted in her favour.
Probably Daphnedill as the young lady I speak of is in her early twenties (24?). And perhaps the NHS Trust she wanted to work for insisted on the English exam.

The EU's common language is English
so why does the EU's Brexit negotiator demand that all negotiations are conducted in French?

Wally.

Disregard that last remark!!

Daphne, she didn't ned to do it for the NQT that she did first. She was made to take GCSE maths for that because they could not work out whether her Ebac equivalent qualification meant that her maths was good enough to teach primary schoolchildren!
So she took it anyway, just so she was up-to-date.
She's a very well qualified TA.

Because it won't be English after we leave?
To show he's in charge?
If he was negotiating with diplomats it wouldn't matter because they are all fluent in French anyway.

Forgive me if this has been discussed already but I thought Vince Cable's latest thoughts were interesting:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/01/why-its-time-end-eu-free-movement

To be honest, the language requirements for teachers are a bit nuts.

A few years ago, I was interested in teaching functional English in further ed to adults who don't have GCSE/Level 2.

I thought I'd be qualified to do it.

I have a top grade in O level English, a degree in French and German, a PGCE, an ESOL qualification and an MA in linguistics. (Sorry, not boasting) I can be forced to teach any subject in a secondary school, even if I don't want to.

BUT NO!

I'm allowed to teach non-English speakers English, but I can't teach English speakers to read and write their own language up to GCSE level in a college setting. To do that, I need A level English and a further certificate, all of which I would have to pay for myself.

Not boasting...?

How on earth can anyone be 'forced' to teach any subject in a secondary school?

You WILL teach these children Mandarin, even though you don't want to!

Yes, I had already read this, it's an interesting piece, Cable makes sense.You can be a Remainer ( not that it matters now) and still see that unlimited EU migration is not a good thing.

OK, so Mandarin's not actually on the curriculum (yet)...er, Spanish? PE? RI?

Get the A level dd as you need it, then you can teach.Obviously you would have to have it as a requirement.

Jalima,

It could be a new requirement. The lady I know is in her mid 40s, so would have qualified years ago. I know she's been in the UK for at least four years - probably much longer.

I think the point is that everybody with a UK degree (and nursing is now a graduate course) has to have the equivalent of IELTS Level 7. I can't remember when this was introduced, but it wasn't that long ago.

It used to be that students came to the UK to study for a few months before going on to an undergraduate course. I used to make a bit of money teaching them. I was employed by an agency and my qualifications were checked. Unfortunately, there were some bogus language schools and the Home Office clamped down on visas for students to study at them. This meant that some able students couldn't come to the UK to study without the language qualification, so some of these language schools have now moved abroad (especially to China), so that students can learn English before coming to the UK.

Unfortunately, this means that there's less work for me.

(Sorry! That's off topic.)