An oath on British Values?

Love that phrase dj it is sooooo good a description. Pluto -populist.

Not just in Europe, whitewave. Resistance to immigration is one of the main reasons the pluto-populist is now in charge of the US.

No idea, Jalima. My friend comes from Sydney. Maybe she just knew which hoops she needed to jump through. She's quite 'mature' and had worked as a nurse for years before she came to the UK, so maybe that counted in her favour. I honestly don't know.

mair my problem with your stance is that I see resistance to immigration as a fundamental principle of populism in Europe. This has undoubtedly been strengthened by economic recession, but it is also a permanent feature of the populist right worried about their national identity. It appears always ready to designate cultural or religious minorities as scapegoats. This concentration on a single subject is in my view unhealthy and misguided.

It is more difficult for Australians to get visas to come here; perhaps that is why people seeking 'casual' work are less inclined to come.
www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/australiauk-bond-under-threat-from-britains-discriminatory-visa-and-migration-policies-dfat-report/news-story/d93f1ed2ca71ba961eb71c4bf5b2cf5c

And, of course, it resulted in a tit-for-tat situation as young British people had more difficulty in obtaining Australian visas.

Mair, did you say that nobody is suggesting that those here now go home?
If they all have to have permanent residency to stay, that's how long it will take for them all to get it.
That seems quite a reasonable point to me. You are entitled to disagree if you want.

If there's any sort of limit to the time people can live here without having residency, it will be a problem.
I have noticed other groups suggest it will take nearly 150 years at 2015 rates.

Link
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25401024

Perhaps it depends on the area daphnedill because my DN's fiancee had to take an English exam.
Unless Queensland is not considered English-speaking!

trisher said
And where on earth did this idea that Australians are only coming here as professionals like doctors. Visit any big city and London in particular and you will find Aussies in many jobs like bar work and catering.

Is that just a lie or another poster who doesnt read properly?
Of course I didnt say they are ALL professionals, but the trend is going that way:

"... today's newer, sparser breed of Australian arriving on British shores has quite different priorities to those who voyaged around the world a decade or two ago - no longer so inclined to pull pints to fund their customary trips to Munich's Oktoberfest and Anzac Day in Gallipoli.
"Those still here tend more towards the higher strata of the workplace, says Eaton: "White-collar professionals - lawyers and accountants - rather than backpackers and barmen."

I've also just checked with a Facebook friend who is an Australian nurse who has been working in the UK for just over four years. She had an exemption from the English test, because she was born, lived and studied in an English-speaking country.

I know that when I was employing teachers from abroad, Australians, NZers and South Africans etc didn't have to do the IELTS test, whereas teachers from Russia and other countries outside the EU did. All teachers had to do the skills tests in English and Maths. It was a bit of a minefield. Even if a Russian (or some other EU countries) had a degree in English, he/she would still have to do GCSE English, Maths and Science, because it's a requirement for all teachers employed in England and Wales.

"By the way, at the present rate of working, it will take 47 years for all the 3 million EU citizens living here now to get permanent residency."
Interesting snippet but are you actually making any point?

No Bremoaner/Remainer ready to say where they stand on uncontrolled immigration then?
What a surprise.

By the way, at the present rate of working, it will take 47 years for all the 3 million EU citizens living here now to get permanent residency.

EU nurses do have to take an English language test.
Well, you live and learn!!

I see that is from January 2016, so relatively new.

I know Australians have a strange turn of phrase sometimes but I think most understand English without having to take an examination in it.

@dj All teaching assistants have to have a minimum level of English, wherever they were born. Problems can sometimes arise because there is no direct equivalency between different countries' exams. It is assumed that those born and brought up in an English-speaking country can speak English, but they still have to have the equivalent of GCSE. In NZ, for example, pupils take their GCSE equivalent exams a year earlier than in the UK, so their exams are considered inferior and they have to take a GCSE in the UK.

So are these the 'immigrants' who really worry you? The ones who we have always had 'control' of?
No, I am concerned about all. We have far far too many in a small overcrowded country with a large existing population.

So elegant and dreamy

I hope you are wearing a long, floaty dress while you drift Elegran

It isnt the only tool in her kitbag (as with some) certainly Durham.

But due to the extremely patriarchal nature of most Third World societies I am confident you will still find the majority of university students from those countries are still male even in the twenty first century.

So are these the 'immigrants' who really worry you? The ones who we have always had 'control' of?

Strangely, whitewave is the person I consider never sneers.
But then, I would say that, wouldn't I?
However, I assume lots of others will say the same, even those who disagree with me on lots of things.

"but you have talked about low grade immigrants more than the average GNer"

On the contrary I have specifically avoided that phrase Durham as your pal WW explained to you.

Good to drift sometimes, Elegran.

I am still waiting for WW to say how she proposes EU immigration should be controlled if we were going to remain within the EU, and what would be an acceptable level since she is adamant she does NOT support unlimited uncontrolled immigration.

Sneering and diversionary tactics are her response.

I am genuinely curious to know if any other dedicated Remainers feel the same way?
You do not want mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU, and yet you don't really care about it very much and dont want to think about the numbers too much either? Would that be how you feel?

My Danish daughter in law had to take an English exam before she was allowed to become a teaching assistant, even though she had a degree in psychology froman English university and an MA in librarianship from another English university.
Very odd!

Learn to read, Mair? I accept you were not the first person to use the phrase,so sorry, but you have talked about low grade immigrants more than the average GNer.
You also talk about Farage more than other GNers, so it's easy to mix you up with other UKIPpers.
Sorry again, if that's not true.

Hope I never taught any of your kids to read.