NHS winter crisis looms

fullfact.org/about/frequently-asked-questions

How amazing that an 'establishment' site should have to agree to closer accountability to be approved by the Charities Commission. Methinks some people can't make up their mind .

Very generous of the establishment to approve a site which is forever showing how economical the establishment is with the truth.

ukcolumn and Brian Gerrish:

www.charliefoulkes.co.uk/truth/brian-gerrish-disinformation-agent.html

truepublica and Charles Jacoby (otherwise known as a wiki-woo site)

www.brianhaw.de/index.php/index/4160-unsolicited-emails-it-is-a-matter-of-fact-global-research-true-publica-are-disinformation-who-knowingly-publicly-lie-to-maliciously-cause-identifiable-harm-to-living-people-04-12-2016

The above kind of fruitloop sites are why Full Fact is needed more than ever these days. I know whom I'm inclined to believe.

The BBC is apparently setting up its own fact-checking unit to check out 'facts' on social media sites, which is good news.

www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/12/bbc-sets-up-team-to-debunk-fake-news

fullfact.org/about/funding

Exactly its an establishment organisation telling you what they want you to believe.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-fact

The Telgraph exposes more of the duplicity of so called "Full Facts":

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9976733/How-Leveson-was-denied-the-full-facts.html

There is little more dangerous than sources which claim to be 'unbiased'

Full Fact specialises in what it calls “promoting the facts for their own sake, without an ulterior motive” and exposing journalists who it says are “playing tricks with the truth”.
It says that the media’s “inaccuracy” proves that the press must “be subject to additional constraints”.
It conducts frequent “fact-checks” of suspect newspaper items and regularly complains to the Press Complaints Commission (PCC) about stories it dislikes, saying that some newspapers are like “a water company putting poison in the water supply”.

Ah so another pro EU organisation trying to restrict free speech.

So called Full Facts

www.ukcolumn.org/article/faux-facts-disturbing-truth-about-fullfactorg

"this interesting little non-profit company, headed by Tory Party donor and AnneFreud Centre Chairman Michael Samuel"

truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/unbiased-full-fact-comes-brexit/

"Some of the sponsors of Full Fact are well known REMAIN campaigners. The Labour party and a number of its affiliations for one. The hugely powerful, wealthy and influential City of London Corporation, largely representitheeng the banks publicly backs membership."
"Diageo is the worlds largest drinks distributor, is another financial sponsor of Full Fact and a huge supporter of EU membership as is Roll Royce the BMW owned manufacturer who have admitted to sending letters to thousands of employees warning of the consequences of Brexit in a clear campaign (that they ended up apologising for) to garner more favourable pro-EU votes"

"Then to add a little more weight to the debate as another sponsor of ‘Full Fact’ there is the equally influential Cambridge University who’s Vice Chancellor has said ‘I cannot identify a single persuasive reason to recommend leaving Europe’"

Hmmm. This website may not have an obvious party political bias, but much like the BBC it is absolutely an establishment organisation.

People who trust it for their information are, I suggest, colored by the same biases.

Not impressed by the integrity of Michael Samuel either:

www.scotsman.com/news/uk/tory-tycoon-offers-fine-to-escape-speeding-ban-1-2829383

A MILLIONAIRE businessman caught speeding offered to pay a much bigger fine to a court – if he was allowed to keep his driving licence.

Former Conservative Party donor the Hon Michael Samuel offered to pay a “large” fine in return for being allowed to escape a ban for driving at 104mph

The wealthy businessman even asked the Crown to change the speed on the charge against him to a lower figure than he was clocked at.

WOW! He should have been gaoled IMO for trying to bribe the court like that!

How pompous some posters are. Pompous and condescending.

You should know by now that some people aren't impressed by facts and will peddle myths because they suit their own agendas. Some people don't even quote sources.

I can rarely be bothered to contradict them any more, even though they're wrong and ill informed.

fullfact.org/about/impartiality

durhamjen said
They don't want to,{work??? } firecracker, and certainly not in mental health, which is Theresa May's big idea
fullfact.org/health/fewer-doctors-and-nurses-working-mental-health/
My Brackets
"Dont want to what?" DJ

Once again DJ coupled with her favourite link to a left wing website, puts her own spin on the facts.

There are fewer doctors working in mental health yes, that much is true, but is this caused by :

Lack of money allocated to create the jobs in mental health?
Answer : Yes!

Lack of sufficient trained doctors to take the roles, because there is a general doctor shortage which enables doctors to, even now, pick and choose what to specialise in and mental health isnt one of the most sought after specialities (such as ENT, pediatrics, or opthamology).
Answer: Yes

British doctors are refusing to go in for mental health and leaving the profession to work in something else or going abroad to complete their specialist training in somthing else.
Answer: No

The reluctance of many doctors to enter the less glamorous and in some ways less emotionally rewarding branches of medicine underlines how badly we need to train more. Doctors on entering their career should realise that they might not get the exact speciality they want, just as lawyers know if they want some interesting niche like charity law, or media law, or public international law, its going to be very competitive to get what they want. At the moment doctors are scarce enough that most do get to choose their speciality.

Foreign doctors who come here to work in unpopular areas (geriatrics is another one) haven't necessarily chosen it because they 'love it' either, but for pragmatic reasons, they know it will help them get a job anywhere in the world. Our own doctor numbers need to be increased so that they too are forced to adopt an attitude of pragmatic realism! Train enough doctors and theyll be glad to just get a job!

I doubt if universities can afford the loss of overseas students' fees without increasing domestic fees.

The fees for an overseas medical student at Cambridge are currently £40,200pa, compared with £9,250pa for British students.

Last night 20 NHS trusts declared black alerts.
Theresa May said yesterday that it was only one or two hospitals that had problems.

They don't want to, firecracker, and certainly not in mental health, which is Theresa May's big idea.

fullfact.org/health/fewer-doctors-and-nurses-working-mental-health/

fullfact.org/health/government-has-misquoted-head-nhs-england-spending-plans/

Of course our British students should be given first choice for places at university and medical school. Let's start putting our own young people first.

fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/

Nah! We're all getting older, but plain speaking doesn't make one crabby.

Got told off by HQ the first time since I joined in 2011. I must be getting old and crabby.

Only skimmed I'm afraid daph

In any case, the NHS is underfunded. It doesn't matter where the doctors trained or were born. The NHS pays them all the same and doesn't employ enough of them.

(Milk and no sugar, please.)

My daughter's best friend trained in medicine at Edinburgh. Does Scotland count as a foreign country these days?

(Back to sharing a cuppa with Whitewave behind the parapet.)

I made that resolution ages ago, whitewave, but it's hard.

rose yes you are absolutely right, I was a tad irritated with mair. So I have decided my best course is to gloss over any of mairs posts so she doesn't get any more rude remarks from me.