I am totally sickened

Sorry - thought I could get a Christmas moon!

[tchmoon]

Anyway,last comment as I feel I am being somehow backed into saying something I don't necessarily want to say.
As I said further back in the thread, I am NOT Muslim-bashing, merely condemning THESE perpetrators.
I am sorry a thread which I started in good faith as a reaction to another tragedy has somehow been taken as an indictment of Islam
End of.

Night, night Daphne

Laughable? I'm not laughing, it looks as incongruous in a department store like John Lewis as on a high street in Horsforth. Not criticising the culture in its own setting, but saying it sits uncomfortably with my own views on gender equality. And from what anno says of the TV programme, yes it does happen.

Crossed posts anno

DB no one is disputing what life is like under for women under extremist régimes like ISIS bit the days of the average Muslim woman walking your stereotypical 10 paces behind her man is laughable.

Did anyone see the very revealing programme about ten muslims living in the same house. Fascinating and definitely Myth Busting.

Tonight, on BBC2 I watched 'Muslims Like Us' which brought together a group of Muslims from the ultra conservative to the liberated feminist. It showed the diversity of opinion and interpretation of the Q'ran among the group, giving the lie to the notion of 'The Muslim Community'. The family with the woman walking behind in a burkha may be seen as stereotypical but the couple drinking coffee together in Starbucks could just as easily be Muslim but not displaying their identity.
The second episode of the programme is tomorrow night at 9pm on BBC2. Of course it can only scratch the surface but I found it enlightening.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/life-as-a-woman-under-isis-document-reveals-for-the-first-time-what-group-really-expects-from-female-10025143.html

Food for thought?

Goodnight daphne

Daphne I do hope you continue to enjoy your study of the role of women in Islamic society. Best to move on now, wishing you and your family the best of christmases Christmas Mubarak

"Your study of the role of women in Islamic society"???

I really don't get what you are talking about. My opinions of what ? My opinion about these child "bombers"??
Your point is nancyma?

Is this meant to be heavy sarcasm, nancyna??
What exactly are you saying?

Yes, these little girls are not suicide bombers. They are too young to give informed consent to pretty much anything. It's children used as murder weapons. Just beyond awful .

First calling themselves Suicide bombers, is wrong! Suicide is what one person commits, they don't take people with them! To use little seven year old girls, is atrocious! What the hell is the mother thinking of?? All the soldiers we remember on Remberance Sunday, fought and lost their lives so we could live in peace,! It sickens me and makes me sad and angry,

Daphne I do hope you continue to enjoy your study of the role of women in Islamic society. Best to move on now, wishing you and your family the best of christmases Christmas Mubarak

I am sure you know best.

Archetypal? No! Stereotypical? Yes.

I understand a "trope" just means a figure of speech
While I don't agree with jollyg's opinion/statement it is nevertheless the case that in the example of fundamentalists wonen do play a very subservient role .
It makes me angry to see the (archetypical?) couple in this country where the woman walks the requisite 10 paces behind her man, even if her little boy is walking with Daddy or to hear of wonen who are not allowed to leave their home and consequently become very isolated and even less likely to integrate in western society.
At times of atrocity it is understandable to feel and express a gut reaction in the face of such horror.
Bearing all that in mind to me at any rate it is the youth of the poor children involved, rather than their gender, What other instances, though, did you have in mind nancyma?
And anya , fear not, my hair is well and truly fixed on.

This is beyond evil. Those poor little girls, I am heartbroken for them

I do not recall having to state my religious beliefs when joining Gransnet. Surely the common denominator here is that we are grandparents and as such we unconditionally grieve for the innocent children of all ages and nationalities.

As a traditionally Christian country don't we love our neighbours as ourselves? There are extremists in all walks of life; that doesn't make all Muslims evil any more than it makes all members of any sect evil, or all non-believers evil, or all men evil.

Daphne, of course I am appalled at these atrocious acts, why on earth would you think otherwise from my post ?

I am quite sure Muslim mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, grandparents etc are equally sickened and are are horrified that their religion is is being abused in this manner

That does not prevent me from being appalled at the statement that muslims think all women are dross. If you are not trendy daphne don't worry about it. Sometimes it's good to walk in someone else's shoes. Read that post from Jolly g from the point of view of a Muslim grandmother, like the majority of people, kind and decent and loving and see the comment about your belief system. I personally would be very clear that gn is not for Muslims. Daphne I have nothing further to add

And it was jolly who made these offensive comments.

Keep your hair on DB. Nancyma is quite right to point out that most Muslims are not of this mind set.

Really nancyma???

Absolutely appalled by some of the tropes on this thread

Do you find it acceptable behaviour then?

Unfortunately I don't know what "trope" means, (is it one of these trendy new words?) but skimming through the posts most people seem to be echoing my horror at the MURDER of innocent children -whether little boys or girls is frankly irrelevant - in the name of a twisted bastardised version of Islam. I would imagine any Muslim/Sikh/ Jewish/Christian person with a heart would agree, so nobody is Muslim-bashing, just THESE Muslims.