The cost of Brexit for us; the ordinary people

No- your reaction is yours entirely. All I am asking is that you perhaps find it in you to acknowledge that for many those feelings of disconnection and even aversion- re family post Trump and post Brexit, are real.

I am racking my brains here- and going back as long as I can remember- but have you ever actually put forward an argument to contribute to a discussion, for, against or somewhere in between? All I can remember so far is just silly, sarky comments, that truly do not take any conversation forwards.

But be my guest. Takes all sorts.

Gary Lineker on Have I got News for you...

The only reason I mentionned the comments on 'social media' from groups of (mainly) young, and some expat, remainers re visiting 'leave' relatives over the Xmas holidays- if because some expressed that those feelings were just a figment of my imagination. 100 posts so far elsewher and even I is shocked and surprised at the responses- a few which I quoted anonymously.

And are we somehow expected to be impressed/swayed/shock-horrored by the information about how those people are feeling?

I have better things to do than read the angst of others. How desperately sad some people are
Oh dear Anya agreeing with you again !
I have very little (actually no) interest in what some people on some forum to which I do not subscribe might or might not be saying. In fact I find it quite intrusive to be discussing what they may or may not be thinking, much less conjecturing about possible conversations in their or their parents' homes over Christmas.
It is all so hypothetical - personal experience or opinions, fine, but why bring in some random third parties?
I feel like echoing the inimitable Lauren in her French Oral and asking
"Est-ce que je suis bovvered?

death? Who's Gary?

Ana, so happy you agree with me, that is probably a first- so Merry Christmas to you.

A very interesting article in today's Le Figaro in France- about the Facebook and other social media groups, both in the EU and in the UK- and the new newspaper which is having a roaring success- for those 48% and probably now 50+% (death as Gary says, and those who have changed their mind having realised they have been conned).

Be utterly amazed if Buck House hadn't said that ana

Well, obviously. A source close to the Monarch is not going to give his or her name, is s/he?

'Late on Thursday evening, Buckingham Palace reacted to the story calling it an “anonymously sourced conjecture.”'

But you believe what you want to...

That's okay, then. I haven't missed anything.

I like John Crace's name for Theresa May. He calls her the Maybot. It fits.

May had nothing else to tell Her Maj - she's clueless.

Can anyone with a Times give any more information on this?
The most interest bits are behind a paywall.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/queen-s-frustration-with-may-over-brexit-secrecy-kxv3wwkj7

Re your previous post - it is MOST CERTAINLY very OK! Thank goodness...

Our Vicar here is hilarious- and his parties massive fun btw.
And he knows neither of us have a tiny weeny little religious bone in our body- and that's OK. We are actually very similar in our human beliefs and attitudes. Excellent.

Indeedy Ana - I think we have established quite some time back that your and I, are VERY different. That's OK.

Each to their own.

If you have family and friends all over the world- FaceBook is just wonderful. I can see the photos of nephews and nieces, and friends' children and grandchildren and hear all their major news- it feels as if they are so close.

We have recently come back from a visit to Cape Town to visit all OH's long lost family- they lost contact in 1948 in sad circumstances, due to apartheid. Without FB, I wouldn't have been in touch with our second cousins, and wouldn't have had the chance to meet them all and find out so much about the past, and reasons why some things happened. Wonderful.

Facebook is not for me either in fact none of those sites are of any interest and imo best avoided!
I'm looking forward to the festive season particularly to Boxing Day, when we're having open house for family and friends. Our 9 year old grandson is spending New Years Eve with us while his sisters and parents are partying, so lots to look forward to! Happy Christmas to one and all, back in the New Year - Maybe!!!!

I am on there to keep up with the younger members of the family - great to keep in contact with them when we are so far apart. I use viber with one of DGS too. I only look at one remain group which is specifically about how things are/maybe for those of us living In the EU - very useful information if you need to apply for things etc. No seeing anyone's angst!

I have better things to do than read the angst of others. How desperately sad some people are.

Goodwill towards all men (and women)

I'm not on Facebook, Welshwife. I suppose Remainers groups are all like vicar's tea parties, are they?

Ana on Facebook if you search for leavers groups you will find a whole selection. I do not look at them very much at all but have read links posted by others to these groups and some language is very ripe indeed. These are a variety of people on there but it is of course difficult to know how old they are etc.

That's very sad for you granjura. I haven't any parents or in laws; my parents died many years ago, by FIL ditto, my MIL died in 2008 aged 94!! She did like many of her generation, have racist/servant views which after discussion by DH, her residential home very sensibly ignored. At times she thought she was back in prewar India! then post war Eritrea!! It was difficult, but she wasn't a wicked person just a very old confused lady whose mind was wandering.

Over 100 now- saying the same sort of thing- either not going for first time or dreading it.