The cost of Brexit for us; the ordinary people

No * GracesGran* you don't insult people in error, you do it on purpose ( of course)
Was hoping that the MK 2 version would post pleasanter comments, but apparently not.

No idea what you're on about GG. Your comments are often sarcastic. That's a fact, nothing to do with the paucity of anyone's argument...

Who have I insulted and how roses? If you are not prepared to say - you have just repeated your previous comments in another way so far - then I will assume you just do not like your views being challenged and nothing personal has been said.

So there is paucity in the argument Ana. Good to see we agree on something

I am off now to do something useful.

Welcome back, Gracesgran. I have missed your well researched and pertinent comments.

Brexiteers or Brexiters are both names used by the Brexit group. Nothing wrong with Remainers using them.
Theresa May(be) said Brexit means Brexit, so are we not allowed to use the word. I don't mind being called a Remainer. I am not moaning, just quietly confident that you will not get what you have asked for. I will continue to tell you so.

Oh, must you...?

Who is this 'you' you're talking to durhamjen? Is GracesGran a Brexit voter?

If Brexit is a resounding success, dj, will you still be as negative as you are now, or will you admit you were wrong and share in the jubilation? Serious question by the way, so would appreciate an answer - you sometimes seem to duck questions you don't like

Well at least we know DJ has a sense of humour ...

Do we...?

Mair it is not true that "Immigrants are putting HUGE pressure" on schools and the NHS. That is a blatant distortion of a complex picture.
And in a debate on leaving the EU I suggest you make it clear which "immigrants" you are blaming.
The biggest impact on the NHS in terms of demand, by far, is the ageing population - and the biggest problem is that Hunt is determined to undermine it, by not recognising this in its funding.

Jess I said on another thread that a teacher I know has over half her class [of 30] made up of 12 year olds from the EU who do not speak English readily and that she is at breaking point making lesson plans for them all.If this isn't an example of pressure from EU immigration then I don't know what is!That will not be the only school, just the tip of the iceberg.
GracesGran you are a champion dissembler.I think that you quoting [ the Roosevelt one] was a typical insult by you to be hurled at any Gransnetters who [in your view] are not in tune with your own superior intellect [again, in your view.]
YOu may say it wasn't personal, but it wasn't aimed at all on here, was it, just the few that you don't like.
I don't know about pertinent comments from you, more like impertinent ones.

I don't like personal comments roses - not unreasonable really. I also do like to discuss the subject and the ideas around it rather than have to keep replying to the personal comments you choose to make.

I am absolutely sure that there are cases such as your teacher friend has to deal with but that does not give proof that this is the 'tip of the iceberg'. If you went into a class where all the pupils were over 6ft would you assume that all pupils in the UK are over 6ft and would you then make all your polices for a generation of six footers?.

The truth is there are a few areas where changes have happened very quickly and have impacted on the people there both those who are new and those who were there. The government has been very happy to scoop up extra taxes from the companies who have benefited - although not always as efficiently as they should - and the additional personal taxes of those who have come here. What they have not done is helped these communities. This was not an EU problem but one brought about by the government. But why are we still discussing this unless you want people to ask the government to do something to help such areas. I would gladly agree to that.

Actually leaving the EU will neither be a success or failure Ceesnan. We will leave - it will just be a fact and a lot legal paperwork.

Whatever comes after that will be more or less of a success. This will be brought about by people who voted both leave and remain not just by those who voted leave. It will be helped or hindered by a government who actually backed remain as all the parties who have any hope of power were on that side. The vast majority of businesses also declared for remain and it will be they who contribute to any success we have subsequently. Far from anyone admitting they were wrong it would behove those who voted leave to realise that is all most of them will have done and thank those who voted either remain or leave who go on to pull the irons out of the fire.

But I will say again - why are you still discussing this as if you were supporting a football team and there is another match to come? The vote has happened and we are moving on ... or at least most of the country are.

Well at least that's one thing some of us can agree on. I'm not convinced that durhamjen is completely on board though.

My question was to durhamjen actually GracesGran, as she seems to be persistently predicting doom and gloom. To be fair I should have written "once Brexit has been accomplished". Are you including me in the football match simile because I don't think I've ever regarded it in that light. Completely different tack now -,you have returned, I hadn't realised you had gone .....just out of interest did you flounce or were you forced

As far as I am aware there is no such thing as 'Brexit' Ceesnan; it has no meaning so how can it be 'accomplished'?

Well, it's in the title of the thread you're posting on.

Perhaps you should tell MaizieD that she's mistaken and that now you're back, there'll be no more talk of 'Brexit'...

So what does it mean Ana?

Let's wait for MaizieD to answer that one.

By the way, Mair, over half the doctors are talking about going abroad in the next five years. Proof on onmedica. That's slightly more than a few hundred.
But this has always happened - don't you remember several years ago there was a mass migration of newly qualified doctors from the UK to Australia, Canada, New Zealand because of the lack of jobs for them here when they qualified?
I think that could have been under Labour but please don't quote me.
Then, of course, we had a shortage and had to recruit from overseas!

ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-six-months-on-the-law/

This is interesting and actually concerns the OP and how we stand now.
I am not all doom and gloom, Ceesnan. I can't wait to see what happens in April. That's not doom and gloom. As Brexiteers can't agree on what they voted for, or why they voted Brexit, I am looking forward to the outcome.

Ooh, roses, calling someone impertinent, even if obliquely; is it allowed?

Surely you know, Ana, that Brexit means Brexit. That's what your guru tells you, anyway.

Since we know that there are millions of EU immigrants living here, a great deal of them with school age children, then your six footer anology does not wash GG
It certainly will be the tip of the iceberg, and a problem we don't hear enough about.No government can build schools so quickly to accomodate them all.
This is a Brexit thread, don't comment on it if you don't like it.In fairness to Maizie it is a thread started to see what is happening as we rumble along towards signing article 50, and then thereafter, I suppose, to keep an eye on what continues to happen.
Yes, we are leaving the EU, and I wish all the doomladen stuff would take a back seat too, and it WILL be Leavers and Remainers all pulling together, but there are plenty of people in RL and on this forum wanting to discuss it.