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Still here Varian

There certainly has been much intolerant and angry talk on the threads lately......but not from Mair who, it has to be said, whether you agree with her politics or not manages to stay calm.
Have a look at the last page of the Brexit thread Varian if you want to read the insults handed out, they are breath taking ( although childish.)

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Petra hasn't left, she's still posting on various threads

I'm sorry, it was not Petra, but Practical - has she/he returned under another name?

As one who does not sneer or descend to name calling, I am struck by the increasingly angry and intolerant tone of recent posts.

I am reminded of a series of posts here in the run up to the referendum from Petra, an avid reader of the Daily Express whose use of language was intemperate in the extreme.

I do wonder whether Petra has returned under another name.

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Mair It might help you to understand the meaning of bigotry if you read this article.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/02/ukip-party-bigots-lets-look-evidence

Agree Rose.
Its thanks to Nigel that Cameron gave us a referendum.

Of course remainer bigots are now full of hatred, but I believe history will eventually give him the credit he deserves. He is truly a remarkable charismatic figure so much so that I fear for his safety, such is the hate of his opponents.

Its nonsense yo say he's done nothing when he has had two successful careers, in contrast to so many of todays politicians, Milliband, Cameron, Balls, Corbyn, who have done nothing outside politics.

You said that he hadn't achieved anything in life dd I disagree, plus he is a public figure known to many people.The fact that we don't like somebody's colour of politics should not blind us to reason.
Being a city trader for a while is not the classic route for public school failures either, they do very well for themselves for a time, then leave to do other jobs, usually in the city.

roses, He was a COMMODITIES trader on the London Metals Exchange. Even stockbrokers think they're spivs! It's a classic route for public school failures.

Farage rarely attends as an MEP, so I stand by what I wrote. Quite honestly, looking at the calibre of some MEPs, it really isn't a great achievement.

Varian said:

Nigel Farage's extreme racist views were freely expressed when he was a teenager. What would have been considered monstrous then should still be unacceptable.

Goodness Varian surely your views havent remained set in stone since you were a teenager?

Do you imagine that Ed Balls also still thinks its acceptable to dress up as a Nazi?
Is he a "monstrous" person too?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211486/The-Nazi-uniform-It-just-laugh-Balls-brushes-university-prank-saying-embarrassed-photo.html

We are a long way from the subject started by the OP.

You may not like him, but you can hardly say that 'he never achieved anything in his life 'he was an MEP for years and as you say, a city trader ( doesn't matter if they are called spivs, have you seen what they earn?)And who calls them spivs?
Traders are no fools either.
Also, no organisation should be arrogant, even the saintly BBC.

Why shouldn't the BBC be arrogant? It's arguably the best broadcasting service in the world.

Most teenagers grow out of their 'heck, I hope nobody drags that up' phase. Farage hasn't and makes such incidents a badge of pride. He has never achieved anything in his life, apart from being an irritating 'victim' and expenses scammer. His only job was as a London Metals Exchange trader (who were known as the spivs of the City), but somwhow he reinvented himself as a 'man of the people', 'somebody who speaks as it is', 'one of us'. What a flipping joke!

varian who has not done things in their youth of which they may be ashamed in later life?

Including many politicians, not just Nigel Farage (of whom I am no fan I should add).

Nigel Farage's extreme racist views were freely expressed when he was a teenager. What would have been considered monstrous then should still be unacceptable. He is a successful self publicist and, with the backing of millionaires like Arron Banks and the tax exile newspaper proprietors, has moved the boundaries of acceptable political discourse.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-fascist-nazi-song-gas-them-all-ukip-brexit-schoolfriend-dulwich-college-a7185236.html

Because, let's face it, whether or not you agree that the BBC is biased, one thing it tends towards is arrogance.

The BBC practically created the monster that is Nigel Farage who has in recent years appeared 31 times on Question Time, making him the eleventh most frequent political guest.
But perhaps they had an ulterior motive?
Perhaps they thought he would make himself look like an idiot - and it has backfired.

How can the BBC be un biased when the receive £3 million a year from the eu. I know that's small fry in the big scheme of things but it must go some way to pay the taxi bills for all the BBC 'workers' who can't take public transport.

How about Farage is a humbug - does that suit?

Or we could describe him as " he who has never won a seat in Parliament"

Or "he who stood in front of the most racist poster ever in the UK?"

Or he who admires the racist, woman hater bankrupt Trump.

I am sure we can add to the list and perhaps there will be something you prefer.

A genteel forum........umm, maybe (at times)

As for question time I agree the BBC do treat it as entertainment, to a point, and try to put up politicians with a knack for self publicity, those who are controversial and attract an audience,and a bit of glamour (of sorts) , how else did Caroline Flint top the charts?

conservativehome.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451b31c69e2011570ca7d75970b-pi

Caroline Flint, objecting to the concept of being treated as female window dressing. The photograph is from the Guardian website, which helpfully includes the details Caroline Flint wears: red dress, £180, Karen Millen, 0870 160 1830; shoes, £70, Topshop.

The political bias though is firmly towards globalism and anti Britain, especially working class Brits who have been the target of BBC denigration since as long as television has existed (and maybe before).

The BBC practically created the monster that is Nigel Farage


Given that this is supposed to be a genteel forum, where expressing the hope that Merkel gets a kicking (in the German elections) is considered harsh offensive language, its telling that these sensitive souls are not stepping up to give you a ticking off for using such obnoxious language to describe Nigel Farrage.

Hypocrisy rules among the pro mass immigration brigade!

Here's the link

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/culture/why_do_we_see_so_much_of_farage_on_tv_1_4814307