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Too late now
I will ask DH, he watches Aljazeera. I do sometimes as I like the weather forecaster on there, he used to be our local one and I miss him.
I watched The Orkneys - very nice and interesting to fall asleep in front of.

I will take a look tomorrow now permission is granted!

Thanks, Jalima. You might read something interesting.

Wayhay, Mair. I've rarely won anything in my life, so I'm honoured.

Can I be your chum and share it with you, daphne?

Grumppa, the Guardian doesn't have proprietors, does it? The editor is totally independent of bias from above - although obviously not own bias, which we all have.

I have just skimmed it for tonight.

But it is interesting because I have just read a book by Rachel Seiffert about a 12 year old child who manages to travel with her young siblings (one a baby) in 1945 from Bavaria to Hamburg to find her Oma after her Nazi parents are arrested.
The point is that she hears people talking and sees newspaper reports about the denial of the Holocaust; how the 'dead' were really American actors and it was just lies and propaganda.

Anyone who has an opinion on anything at all can send their views around the world in a flash these days, whether true or not.
Even us.

But it is interesting because I have just read a book by Rachel Seiffert about a 12 year old child who manages to travel with her young siblings (one a baby) in 1945 from Bavaria to Hamburg to find her Oma after her Nazi parents are arrested.

Yes but that is fiction (although simply to another city in her own country , considerably more realistic than the concept of young primary school aged children crossing continents, and allegedly resolutely determined to join "relatives" in Britain who clearly dont even care enough to jump on the ferry and go to help them). It's really such a load of horseshit.

I am amazed too that the 'charity workers' seem to think migrants are incapable of telling lies! You do not even need to be an inveterate liar to realise it worth spinning a yarn to a gullible charity worker if it is going to win you a place in Europe, or the Golden Ticket of a place in Britain.

she hears people talking and sees newspaper reports about the denial of the Holocaust; how the 'dead' were really American actors and it was just lies and propaganda.
It may be fiction, based on fact and research, but that bit is true
And there are still Holocaust deniers around today.

Here's a blog from a 'horse's mouth'.

www.edlumino.org/blog/rf

Dr Rory Fox was the deputy headteacher of a school where I once worked. He went on to be dubbed the "strictest headteacher in England" - by the Daily Mail(!), which I guess is some kind of accolade. 'Gullible' is the last word I would use to describe him. He now runs a charity teaching migrant children and is currently working in Greece.

I'd rather believe his testimony than somebody who's never been anywhere near a migrant school.

A long, but interesting insight into the manufacture of hatred in the global media. The second half of the article relates how hatred was created in various media outlets.

www.newsdeeply.com/refugees/articles/2016/12/14/the-manufacture-of-hatred-scapegoating-refugees-in-central-europe

I agree with Mair that the BBC is not always unbiased.

There is I think an inclination on the part of some influential BBC staff to see politics as a branch of entertainment and so will encourage outrageous views to stir up controversary.

The BBC practically created the monster that is Nigel Farage who has in recent years appeared 31 times on Question Time, making him the eleventh most frequent political guest. Those in the top ten (such as Kenneth Clark, Menzies Campbell and Harriet Harman) have an average of over thirty years service in parliament. Farage has failed to get elected seven times. No other MEP has ever been given so many chances to air his views.

Perhaps it was not just the bias of the right wing press that swung the EU vote.

Here's the link

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/culture/why_do_we_see_so_much_of_farage_on_tv_1_4814307

The BBC practically created the monster that is Nigel Farage


Given that this is supposed to be a genteel forum, where expressing the hope that Merkel gets a kicking (in the German elections) is considered harsh offensive language, its telling that these sensitive souls are not stepping up to give you a ticking off for using such obnoxious language to describe Nigel Farrage.

Hypocrisy rules among the pro mass immigration brigade!

As for question time I agree the BBC do treat it as entertainment, to a point, and try to put up politicians with a knack for self publicity, those who are controversial and attract an audience,and a bit of glamour (of sorts) , how else did Caroline Flint top the charts?

conservativehome.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451b31c69e2011570ca7d75970b-pi

Caroline Flint, objecting to the concept of being treated as female window dressing. The photograph is from the Guardian website, which helpfully includes the details Caroline Flint wears: red dress, £180, Karen Millen, 0870 160 1830; shoes, £70, Topshop.

The political bias though is firmly towards globalism and anti Britain, especially working class Brits who have been the target of BBC denigration since as long as television has existed (and maybe before).

A genteel forum........umm, maybe (at times)

How about Farage is a humbug - does that suit?

Or we could describe him as " he who has never won a seat in Parliament"

Or "he who stood in front of the most racist poster ever in the UK?"

Or he who admires the racist, woman hater bankrupt Trump.

I am sure we can add to the list and perhaps there will be something you prefer.

How can the BBC be un biased when the receive £3 million a year from the eu. I know that's small fry in the big scheme of things but it must go some way to pay the taxi bills for all the BBC 'workers' who can't take public transport.

The BBC practically created the monster that is Nigel Farage who has in recent years appeared 31 times on Question Time, making him the eleventh most frequent political guest.
But perhaps they had an ulterior motive?
Perhaps they thought he would make himself look like an idiot - and it has backfired.

Because, let's face it, whether or not you agree that the BBC is biased, one thing it tends towards is arrogance.

Nigel Farage's extreme racist views were freely expressed when he was a teenager. What would have been considered monstrous then should still be unacceptable. He is a successful self publicist and, with the backing of millionaires like Arron Banks and the tax exile newspaper proprietors, has moved the boundaries of acceptable political discourse.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-fascist-nazi-song-gas-them-all-ukip-brexit-schoolfriend-dulwich-college-a7185236.html

varian who has not done things in their youth of which they may be ashamed in later life?

Including many politicians, not just Nigel Farage (of whom I am no fan I should add).

Why shouldn't the BBC be arrogant? It's arguably the best broadcasting service in the world.

Most teenagers grow out of their 'heck, I hope nobody drags that up' phase. Farage hasn't and makes such incidents a badge of pride. He has never achieved anything in his life, apart from being an irritating 'victim' and expenses scammer. His only job was as a London Metals Exchange trader (who were known as the spivs of the City), but somwhow he reinvented himself as a 'man of the people', 'somebody who speaks as it is', 'one of us'. What a flipping joke!

You may not like him, but you can hardly say that 'he never achieved anything in his life 'he was an MEP for years and as you say, a city trader ( doesn't matter if they are called spivs, have you seen what they earn?)And who calls them spivs?
Traders are no fools either.
Also, no organisation should be arrogant, even the saintly BBC.

We are a long way from the subject started by the OP.

Varian said:

Nigel Farage's extreme racist views were freely expressed when he was a teenager. What would have been considered monstrous then should still be unacceptable.

Goodness Varian surely your views havent remained set in stone since you were a teenager?

Do you imagine that Ed Balls also still thinks its acceptable to dress up as a Nazi?
Is he a "monstrous" person too?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211486/The-Nazi-uniform-It-just-laugh-Balls-brushes-university-prank-saying-embarrassed-photo.html