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Biggest political hypocrite 2016

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durhamjen Wed 28-Dec-16 00:14:19

These are some nominations.
Who would you choose from the list?

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Anniebach Mon 02-Jan-17 20:03:04

I think Cirbyn has a big problem , he gets shot if wife no 2 because she disobeyed him over choice of school.

He left his studies at a college because he disagreed with his tutors course

He invited the IRA to Westminster just weeks after the Brighton bombing, this was so insensitive .

This is not a man of honour it's a man who believes his way is the only way and he can do no wrong

Anniebach Mon 02-Jan-17 19:55:37

Some sadly voted for him because they felt pity that be coundn't get the numbers he needed to stand, think he managed 35,

nightowl Mon 02-Jan-17 19:48:55

Perhaps Jeremy Corbyn's colleagues who had worked with him for years and knew his views well should not have nominated/ voted for him if they disagreed with his views and did not truly support him. The fact is they never expected him to win the leadership contest, a bit like David Cameron never expected that a majority would vote to leave the EU. And like DC, they couldn't wait to distance themselves from the results of their actions and to protect their own necks. Maybe not hypocrites, but certainly not honourable.

Anniebach Mon 02-Jan-17 19:45:07

No apology needed trisher but thank you. I disagree , why join the Labour party if no socialist values?

trisher Mon 02-Jan-17 19:04:21

Sorry Anniebach the centre right of the Labour Party are not socialists - the dictionary definition of socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
The centre right in the Labour Party does not advocate any such policy.

rosesarered Mon 02-Jan-17 18:54:40

Well, now you are credited with sense too Iam64 grin cheers! ?

Iam64 Mon 02-Jan-17 18:48:14

Oh dear, I see only anniebach is credited with being a socialist who sees Corbyn as a hypocrite.

I hope I fit annie's description of a socialist, that is someone left/middle labour party. I see Diane Abbot as a complete hypocrite, followed by Emily thorn bury. I accept the JC has stood by principle's he's had for years but i agree with everything anniebach has said about him. I do not accept that the fact he couldn't form a balanced shadow cabinet was because he was shafted by parliamentary colleagues. His colleagues had worked with him for over 30 years and had a right to express their concern he'd never win an election. I know party membership has grown, but that doesn't mean i have to support a man i neither trust nor admire.

Anniebach Mon 02-Jan-17 17:52:42

Those who left the shadow cabinet did so because he was making a hash of leadership, Benn stuck it out and got sacked . He is a weak leader and placing the blame on others is accepting any excuse rather than face the truth. I had to face the truth and I voted and campaigned for him.

nightowl Mon 02-Jan-17 17:38:29

We will have to agree to differ on that point Anniebach. And on the point of view that says Jeremy Corbyn would, if labour won under his leadership, form a far left government. I think he tried very hard to form a balanced shadow cabinet but his parliamentary colleagues shafted him. We will never agree on this I know, but there's my view.

Anniebach Mon 02-Jan-17 16:01:29

True rosesarered,

Anniebach Mon 02-Jan-17 16:00:17

nightowl, I do believe Corbyn will not win an election so is standing in the way of a lavour government

rosesarered Mon 02-Jan-17 15:46:42

but if Corbyn was in power then that is what you would get...a far left government.He and his ilk do not reflect and respect other views.People should realise this.

nightowl Mon 02-Jan-17 15:42:45

I disagree with your definitions Anniebach. Many would say I am quite far to the left in my opinions but I am not and never have been a trot or a communist. I accept that there are many degrees of leftist opinion and am happy to debate with others wherever their political opinions lie on the spectrum (or even off it). But I do think Tony Benn was spot on in that particular quote, as in so many other things.

I do not expect to ever see a far left government (whatever that means) in this country, but I would dearly like to see a labour government or even a party that reflects and respects a mix of views, whilst working towards a fairer society for all. Unlike you, I do not think it is Jeremy Corbyn who is standing in the way of that possibility.

rosesarered Mon 02-Jan-17 15:37:53

I meant the Socialists on this forum nightowl as of the moment, only ab thinks he is a hypocrite. No others have agreed.

Anniebach Mon 02-Jan-17 15:18:46

Not so, far left are trots or communists, left of centre are socialists and centre are socialists too, who accept the country will never want a far left government , far left ? this has been tried several times and each time it has cost labour dearly , and if Corbyn is leader come the next election the votes which got him the leadership are only a small percent of the voters in the country . Plus a leadership contest does not involve other parties. Latest polls show labour in serious trouble and an increase for the libs

nightowl Mon 02-Jan-17 14:47:20

And the Labour Party has far left, left, and not socialist at all.

Anniebach Mon 02-Jan-17 14:34:56

socialism and communism , just like the Tory party has far right and centre

nightowl Mon 02-Jan-17 14:28:03

Looking at the backstabbing that's been going on in the Labour Party since Jeremy Corbyn was first elected, I can't see how you can say that socialists are never willing to admit that a politician of the same political stripe as them can do any wrong rosesarered. But then again, I suppose not all Labour Party members are socialists anyway. As Tony Benn said, "the Labour Party has never been a socialist party, although there have always been socialists in it - a bit like Christians in the Church of England."

Anniebach Mon 02-Jan-17 14:03:40

Heard what McClusky saud this morning and Livinston, I moved on many months ago Jen when I discovered I had been fooled by a devious leader

No difference when it was said , it was said, he is a weak leader

durhamjen Mon 02-Jan-17 13:58:40

We've moved on since then, Annie. Corbyn has been reelected.
Shame you can't move on.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/02/len-mccluskey-corbyn-should-consider-his-position-if-polls-dont-improve

Anniebach Mon 02-Jan-17 09:38:36

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/06/jeremy-corbyn-leadership-labour-mps-elections

Anniebach Sun 01-Jan-17 23:21:16

Jo Cox said last summer he was a weak leader and she was wrong to have voted for him Eleothan, was she was of the media plot ?

What sort of leader on being asked one question on an early election squeals - you are harassing me and hides behind a glass door, a strong leader?

rosesarered Sun 01-Jan-17 23:19:53

if Socialists are prepared [eager even] to ignore what is under their noses, [Corbyn, Abbott etc] then it proves that they are never, under any circumstances prepared to admit that a politician of the same political stripe as themselves can do any wrong. What a mistake to make.

rosesarered Sun 01-Jan-17 23:14:28

...and of course these accusations are never made about people on the right I suppose?
yes, it's all a fiendish Tory media plot! Corbyn a hypocrite? Never! grin

Eloethan Sun 01-Jan-17 22:59:09

When it was reported that Corbyn's marriage failed because of a disagreement about schooling, many of his critics used this to demonstrate his inflexibility and his willingness to sacrifice his own family's wellbeing. When Diane Abbott made a very different sort of decision, she was criticised for being a hypocrite.

These sorts of accusations are frequently made about people on the left and, whatever choices they make, they will either be attacked for being hypocritical or for being dogmatic.

Given that Corbyn is constantly described as a man lacking in principle, charisma and leadership qualities, it is interesting that so much time and energy is nevertheless devoted to sustaining that portrayal. I am of the opinion that it is a deliberate and planned campaign that is waged throughout the media, including the many internet social networks, to discredit anyone who is not prepared to dispense with the values upon which the Labour Party was formed, in order to further their own political and social advancement.