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Humanitarian Crisis in UK

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Ankers Mon 09-Jan-17 12:55:31

I do have evidence. From people working there!
Their concerns are not listened to, and have not been listened to for a long time.
It is not my job to suggest alternatives!

I cannot sack whole departments! Scrutinise contracts more thoroughly! And nightnight watch so that supplies do not go wandering!

Sorry, but what you are suggesting daphnedill is off the mark to say the least.

And this is exactly why the populist "movement" if you want to call it that has got so important.

daphnedill Mon 09-Jan-17 12:47:10

@Ankers

By blaming bad contracts, management and a wasteful supply chain, you are behaving exactly like the people in Elegran's committee.

Rather than listening to 'stories', if you have real evidence of any of this, you should write to somebody in charge and suggest alternatives.

You are playing into the hands of demagogues.

durhamjen Mon 09-Jan-17 12:38:33

Worse than that, whitewave, for ambulance crews.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/08/ambulance-workers-say-new-cost-cutting-measure-risks-lives

durhamjen Mon 09-Jan-17 12:35:12

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/01/09/jeremy-hunt-is-lying-data-shows-january-is-often-the-quietest-time-of-the-year-for-a-e-departments/

durhamjen Mon 09-Jan-17 12:34:48

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/01/09/cutting-the-uk-hospital-bed-rate-looks-like-a-management-and-not-a-medical-consultant-objective/

Ankers Mon 09-Jan-17 11:45:47

It is the spending choices in the NHS as well. Stories abound in our area, of huge wastage, one way or another. Bad contract choices, bad management, wasteful supply chain etc. The front line on the other hand is praised, well thought of, and commended.

gillybob Mon 09-Jan-17 11:22:20

I wonder how much money the NHS really needs?

I wonder where this bottomless pit of money is and who is going to keep it constantly refilled?

As new medical techniques, operations, drugs, procedures etc. evolve, the NHS will require more and more money to fund them. Added to this the more successful these are, then the longer people live and even more money is called for.

I for one can not see any easy answer and it won't make a fig of difference who is in power. An ever increasing amount of money will still have to be found somewhere.

vampirequeen Mon 09-Jan-17 10:57:54

The Labour Party is committed to saving the NHS. The money is there but the Conservative Party choose to use it differently.

We are a rich country. We can afford the NHS, good education, support for the elderly/young/vulnerable etc. It's not a lack of money it's the spending choices that are made.

Ankers Mon 09-Jan-17 09:44:35

Is the NHS safe with any other party? I doubt it. Cant see it myself.
Might it be safer with another party. Not sure about that either.

whitewave Mon 09-Jan-17 09:29:02

Imagine one hours training for a blue light call. It is quite dreadful and utterly alarming. This time last year both DH and myself had heart incidents, DH more serious than me, but looking at the procedure carried out prior to hospital admittance by the ambulance staff - it was ages before they even started driving back as they did so much. In fact DH unknowingly to us at the time was prepared for surgery (stents) and as a result he was met by theatre staff at the door and wheeled directly into theatre. The result being that no damage was found in his heart.

How can 1hrs training be remotely justified? We need to march!!!!!!!

trisher Mon 09-Jan-17 09:19:19

She's like the rest of them dj keeping quiet about the whole thing and hoping no-one notices. Interesting that no-one has leapt to the government's defence. Maybe the true impact of what they voted for is just dawning on some people.
Thanks for the links.

durhamjen Sun 08-Jan-17 23:35:03

Corbyn has asked for a statement about it in the Commons tomorrow, but May hasn't agreed to it.

durhamjen Sun 08-Jan-17 23:33:56

Been talking about this on the NHS thread, trisher.

www.healthcampaignstogether.com/

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/08/an-absolute-warzone-nhs-doctors-describe-their-week-in-ae

Eloethan Sun 08-Jan-17 23:03:04

I'm not a fan of the Conservatives and this is just one example of why. The situation regarding health and social care is rapidly spinning out of control and is causing misery to many people.

Additionally, a couple of days ago there were news items about outsourced private ambulance services, and one in particular which was obviously intent on making as much profit as possible since it allegedly allowed only one hour's "blue light" driver training for new ambulance workers. Additionally, former and current employees said that many ambulance workers had very little paramedic knowledge and experience.

trisher Sun 08-Jan-17 19:50:16

The Red Cross is calling for more funding for health and social care and refers to a "Humanitarian crisis" Can anyone who voted for this Tory government explain how this is the NHS being safe in their hands?
www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/News/2017/January/Red-Cross-calls-on-government-to-allocate-funds-for-health-and-social-care