Anti-Trump Demonstration Today

Oh, but people CAN complain if their view, expressed in a calm unaggressive manner, is then called shite and they are told not to be a dick, and they can do it without resorting to swearing and abuse.

Others (people in many different countries, of many different political shades and different degrees of age, affluence, and education) can march in a peaceful demonstration to register their opinion of the proven methods that the new leader of a very powerful nation has used to get his own way in the past, and is proposing to use in the future.

Add comment | Report | Private message grannypiper Sun 22-Jan-17 09:46:01
Just to get this straight in my head, if you dare to agree with a word trump utters you dont have a decent bone in your body, you are rude, ignorant and arrogant, is that right
* granny piper* I really don't think anybody has said this. Disagreeing with another's views is one thing, but to use words like "shite" and "dick" casts serious doubts on a person's integrity.
There's no getting away from the seriousness of the situation in the US today, indeed in the Western world so feelings are understandably running high. But last night's rudeness and obscenities did nobody any credit.
I can't believe that as mature people we could think it acceptable to throw insults at another member as happened. Can you?

I am hesitating about posting this, but here goes.

a. just about none of us live in america. I think most of us would agree that if we did, our perspective would be slightly different at least. Bound to be really.

b. 53% of white american women voted for Trump. It leads me to guess or assume that they think a bit differently to us.

c. It is their country, not ours. So

d. it is their vote that matters

e. and their vote that counted.

f. and ultimately their choice.

I think it is a bit easy for us, sitting 5-7 thousand miles away to think they have got it wrong. But we are entitled to our opinion and can voice it.

But ultimately, I feel a bit uncomfortable effectively telling them and being annoyed with them for their personal choice.

Who are we to tell them how they should have voted?

I wonder if some of us see this man (I hope that is not seen as abusive, rude and dismissive language) as far more than just a threat to feminism. My description of him was a deliberate play on someone with whom I see a comparison. That view has not changed with his and the Whitehouse attack on the press - also shades of the past. I do wonder if May will return with some sort of agreement with him - a gift to the cartoonists with memories of a little bit of paper ... and yes I do fear what he stands for that much.

So important to protest against what is obviously so wrong. Trump may close his ears, but surely his advisers (and their female relations) are not so thick skinned. Listening to the likes of Madonna and others who quite happily record music with rappers who's language puts women down (calling them 'my bitch etc') does not help the cause at all. Only 3 years 363 days left.

Thank you grannypiper.

No grannypiper , it just means many women cannot understand how some women can support a sexual abuser, bully and liar, but it is their right to do so .

To say women have a choice in an exchange of posts on sexual abuse will cause anger for many, many women though.

well said dyffryn being polite is everything but telling people your view is the right one and telling someone else their view is wrong isnt exactly polite. We can debate and say "i think". People shouldnt complain about their view being classed as shite then say the same back but in a different way

And to against trump means that your views are acceptable and anyone else's views are wrong ?

Just to get this straight in my head, if you dare to agree with a word trump utters you dont have a decent bone in your body, you are rude, ignorant and arrogant, is that right ?

AgreeIam64 and whitewave. Hope the thread remains abuse-free.

Trump's rudeness and aggressiveness were of concern in a presidential candidate but now continues as such. Except that now he has power. Today's dictats are of immense concern for all who hold free speech and free press , free media dear.

iam I echo you entirely. The heading on the Observer echoes that as well.

Thanks for posting that image MawBroon it's my favourite from all the banners on line this morning.
Thanks also to Absent, Granny 23, Elegran (and you Cari) and the majority of contributors on this thread who have managed to express negative views on the behaviour and attitudes of the new president without resorting the the abusive, rude and dismissive language used by saak.
One of my many worries about the election of Mr T is that his rude, arrogant, dismissive and aggressive approach to anyone who doesn't see life as he does will increase in wider society.

The White House Press Secretary claims re the crowds is very worrying. How can they claim that the crowds were bigger than at Obama's inauguration? How can they claim that there were very few on the marches yesterday when the eyewitnesses and photos, videos, show otherwise? Because the media is lying. And those who voted for him believe it.

My DD2 is covering the events in Washington DC for a French TV News channel and she has confirmed that the crowds were thinner on Friday than claimed by Trump and that they were too big yesterday to be able to march past the White House.

We have posted at length about alt-truth before but this is alt-truth from the mouth of power, no longer from potential power. It brings to mind the Soviet control of the press and the North Korean control of the mind( there being no free press in N.Korea).

Have just heard that Trump is threatening to cut grants to the arts. Another threat in order to control free speech because of the actors , musicians and artists who have spoken out against his proposed policies.

With typically British understatement

Thank goodness that we, as women, have the right to express our views whether by marching or on a forum such as this.
This right brought about by women of history.
I say well done Rinouchka wish that I could have been there with you.

Excellent link, thank you! Bremner is so observant (it's what makes him a brilliant mimic) but it is also horrifying to see how easily people can be manipulated by the tricks some public speakers employ.
As a bonus the News clip which followed about numbers at the inauguration was surreal, I was wondering if it was in fact kosher or 'Dead Ringers'! Sadly I think I know.

The link worked, Nfk, and I think Bremner's right.

I'm not very good at links so I hope it works.

uk.news.yahoo.com/video/bremner-trumps-distraction-technique-045505463.html

PS. I should make it clear I'm not talking about apple pie and sex at the same time. (Memories of the film 'American Pie' for those of who had forgotten.)

I too agree with Absent and Granny23.

More people overall may have voted for Mrs Clinton but the fact is that under the voting system in the USA, Mr Trump won. Personally I don't like the man at all but he's there are isn't likely to back down or go away without a fight. Demonstrations won't change the result - but they may just make the horrible self-opinionated whatsit realise that there is a strong, a very strong voice against him and moderate his actions. Possibly. Hopefully.

The biggest regret I have is that he intends to abolish Obamacare. Oh, he really is the most odious man!

I don't really understand either, thatbags. I asked a couple of American friends and their conclusion was that:

a) American mid West women want to be like Dolly Parton and make their man happy with apple pie and sex;
and/or
b) They were jealous of another woman.

I'm still not much the wiser.

What I don't get is why, when the stats are broken down (as reported by CNN), a majority of the white women who voted, voted for Trump. What was he saying that appealed to them? I'm presuming the sexist stuff didn't, so what was it?

Or was it nothing he said or stood for but dislike of what the other candidate said/stood for?

mcem. I agree with you. It's bad enough having to listen to drunks without having to translate their blogs into understandable English.

Another one who values the input from Granny23 and Absent.