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Government must have vote on Brexit

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Ginny42 Tue 24-Jan-17 10:33:55

Supreme Court has ruled that Parliament must vote on whether the government can start the Brexit process.

This means Theresa May cannot begin talks with the EU until MPs and peers give their backing - although BBC says this is likely to happen in time for the government's 31st March deadline.

Howver, the court ruled the Scottish Parliament and Welsh and Northern Ireland assemblies did not need a say. Not sure why.

David Davis to make a statement to MPs at 12:30.

However wasn't British law, sovereignty largely what a Brexit was about and this is a judgement by the highest court in the land. As Theresa May was originally a remainer, do you think she's been secretly hoping this would happen?

rosesarered Thu 26-Jan-17 19:48:03

A few MP's may resign, Tulip something or other has resigned from the shadow cabinet, she knows that her liberal Hampstead voters wouldn't be voting for her next time otherwise, so she is safeguarding her seat.
I hope it all goes through quickly, and then we can get on and do what needs doing.

MaizieD Thu 26-Jan-17 20:49:39

I agree, too. But as I live in a very strong Leave area I don't think I could ask my MP to vote against A50.

daphnedill Thu 26-Jan-17 21:58:06

That's a shame Maizie but if democracy really does mean anything, I think it's only right that MPs should represent their constituency vote, whatever their party tells them to do. I'm disappointed that more MPs aren't prepared to ignore the party line and represent their constituencies.

daphnedill Thu 26-Jan-17 22:06:31

roses Tulip Siddiq has always been a personal supporter of Remain, as are her constituents. Her seat was the most marginal in the country when Glenda Jackson just held it in 2010 and was one of the few in 2015 in which Labour increased its lead. She has followed her conscience and represented what her constituents wanted, while putting her personal ambitions as a shadow cabinet member on the back burner. I admire her for that.

rosesarered Thu 26-Jan-17 22:12:03

Yes dd I know, have seen her on The Daily Politics a few times, but it's also true that if she didn't do this, she would lose her seat next time as the Hampstead Luvvies would never forgive her.So, both your comment and mine are both true.

Mair Fri 27-Jan-17 00:45:14

Quite right Roses.

if she didn't do this, she would lose her seat next time as the Hampstead Luvvies would never forgive her

I wonder if her Labour supporters are aware of the very privileged background she comes from, ironic really that so many MPs who are viewed favourably because of their ethnicity are so much more privileged than the native Brits competing with them in front of selection committees. I guess in Hampstead its seen as a plus point though.

"Her maternal grandfather is Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, founding father and the first Prime Minister of Bangladesh.
Her mother's older sister is Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina."

Having recently had a baby it might actually be a clever tactical move to put career plans briefly on the back burner and ally herself with the committed pro EU Chukka wing.

Mair Fri 27-Jan-17 00:54:42

Invite to Question Time surely guaranteed after this and a previously unknown MP goes celebrity.

Crafty move.

durhamjen Fri 27-Jan-17 01:43:08

Just caught up with this.
Devorgilla, the Health and Social Care Act was brought in on All Fools Day, so why not Article 50?

daphnedill Fri 27-Jan-17 06:46:21

Has the green eyed monster taken over your keyboard Mair? What's with the sneering?

Do you think the Hampstead Luvvies know that her grandfather and three uncles were assassinated? Or that her father was disabled after a stroke?

nigglynellie Fri 27-Jan-17 07:46:35

Yes Mair, that was below the belt. This lady's family including a six year child were murdered most horribly as I remember. They were chased around the Presidential Palace, cornered, and killed - appallingly awful. Perhaps you are/were unaware of this? Why should who her family is make any difference to her political beliefs or actions? surely accident of birth is something no one can help and completely irrelevant?! and I'm a wicked Tory!!!!!!

suzied Fri 27-Jan-17 07:52:54

There are lots of politicians from all parties from wealthy backgrounds. That's not surprising it?

thatbags Fri 27-Jan-17 07:53:20

Ah, the "check your privilege" insult. Really good argument. Not.

Isn't Tulip Siddiq a fantastic name?

rosesarered Fri 27-Jan-17 08:31:19

I don't think we have to know all of a politician's background, or personal circumstances, illness etc of family members, to make a comment on a forum about their political decisions that would be quite ridiculous.And Siddiq refusing to vote to trigger article 50 IS a political decision, no matter if she agrees with her constituents
( she obviously does) to vote in line with Labour would lose her the Hampstead seat at the next election.

Anniebach Fri 27-Jan-17 08:54:23

so labour MP's must only be from council estates with fathers who bred whippets and pigeons .

And going on QT makes one a celebrity ?

whitewave Fri 27-Jan-17 08:56:40

mair you post 0.45am

Politics of division writ large I am afraid. Pretty poor show.

Anniebach Fri 27-Jan-17 09:03:25

Good grief, I must have misheard, thought the news reader said two labour whips are going to vote against the leaders orders

rosesarered Fri 27-Jan-17 09:11:41

What did you hear ab?

rosesarered Fri 27-Jan-17 09:12:27

I always wanted a Father who would breed whippets.smile

whitewave Fri 27-Jan-17 09:15:55

Take consolation annie nothing the Labour Party is doing to each other at the moment is remotely anywhere near the Brexit rabble during the Thatcher and Major years.

rosesarered Fri 27-Jan-17 09:19:05

You mean Tory rabble? since Brexit didn't exist back then.

whitewave Fri 27-Jan-17 09:25:50

Aren't the majority the same people -I can remember IDS antics very well, plus many others.

rosesarered Fri 27-Jan-17 09:37:36

Only the quite old ones, plenty of younger ones, the Thatcher years were a very long time ago.
Labour rabble/Tory rabble.....all a bit meaningless.

whitewave Fri 27-Jan-17 09:39:42

No'p not when you look back at their behaviour. I remember one Tory PM calling them bastards because their behaviour was so outrageous.

Rinouchka Fri 27-Jan-17 09:51:53

Am I the only one to be somewhat disconcerted by Mair's comment (00.45.14) regarding Tulip's ethnicity as compared to the less favoured "native Brits competing with them in front of selection committees" ?

In what way does this juxtaposition make the situation clearer?

Ana Fri 27-Jan-17 09:55:17

I don't think it was because their behaviour was outrageous, it was simply because of their Euroscepticism - Major wasn't getting it all his own way.