Government must have vote on Brexit

It was Dallas but is now part of our modern mythology. If only!

That'd be nice, varian, and I speak as someone who never watched Dallas.
It was Dallas, wasn't it?

Or we might be on our third or fourth EU referendum if the Remainers still haven't got their own way...

Bobby Ewing might come out of the shower and we find it was all a bad dream

Trump might not be president.

Yes, the whole of the EU may well have imploded.

I signed the petition, Ankers and no, I was not at all happy about T May trying to get a good trade deal from him.

But, let's not forget, we don't actually have an independent trade deal with the US at the moment and one cannot be officially negotiated for at least two years yet. We have to leave the EU first. A lot might happen in 2 years.

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I think this point is more suited to the direction the other Trump thread has taken.
I have got them both a bit muddled up.

but the honouring of one State to another.

honouring in this context has a very sour taste.

Proposals for invitees for state visits are made by a Foreign office Committee we have learned today. I would imagine that this visit was discussed soon after the result of the Presidential election was known and all the necessary steps, such as asking for the Queen's approval, taken long before the Inaugaration. I heard about this on the R4 World at One today. I just wondered who suggests possible invitees

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-state-visit-downing-street_uk_588f35b2e4b0a70a94d24d47

The Royal Visits Committee is chaired by the Foreign Office Permanent Under Secretary Sir Simon McDonald, and is made up civil servants representing the Queen, Prince Charles, Prince William and the Prime Minister.

Also present are the Keeper of the Privy Purse and Treasurer to the Queen, the National Security Adviser, a representative from Department of International Trade and the Foreign Office’s Director of Protocol.

Former Foreign Office Minister Chris Bryant, who served in the department from 2009 to 2010 when Gordon Brown was Prime Minister, said it was extremely unlikely May did not have an influence in whether to invite Trump for a state visit.

He told Huff Post UK: “Somebody in the meeting would say what are we going to offer when we go on a visit? What are we going to get them for a gift? What about a state visit?

“I don’t believe for one minute that Theresa May didn’t have a say on whether a state visit would be offered.”

So, to be a little bit fair, May didn't really have any idea of just how nasty Trump was going to be at the time the possible invite was discussed. Though I still think it was issued with unseemly haste. President Obama didn't get a State visit until 3 years into his first term of office

Which people?

I don't really know what you mean.

Is it the same people signing the petition, who last week were very happy for Theresa May to try and get a good trade deal from him/USA?

I think people either have to agree to both or agree to neither. You cant expect to have it both ways.

More like a 'tut' and an eye-roll.

A wry smile perhaps.

No but I bet Her Maj is having a good laugh about it.

The visit will not be stopped, end of

This petition, even if debated, will not turn the Government - remember the Brexit one? Trump will come and he will meet the Queen. This has nothing to do with people or personalities but the honouring of one State to another.

Who are you talking to Jess.... and are you on the wrong thread ( easily happens!)

Oh dear. Having a go at the young for not voting - but hang on a minute, I assume you were delighted that they didn't vote because it might have swung the vote the other way. In which case you'd be having a go at them for voting?

The wording is:
Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen.

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Bed time!

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Ana, my comment about the Trump visit on this thread was pointing out that this was another issue Theresa thought to side-step, but which must now be debated. The last time I looked 846,381 people agreed it should be debated in the House. You see, Theresa is going to have to be for turning, unless and until Mr Trump demonstrates some statesmanlike qualities and desists from behaving like a loutish boor.

It happened straight away after Brexit, didn't it? Everyone was expecting the far right to win in Austria, but they didn't, because the voters were worried about what would happen if they got in, if they would end up in a Brexit situation.

Ana I have seen things over the last six months which have indicated this type of opinion - both reading the press and also watching French news programmes.

Obviously it would be impossible to stay in the shadow cabinet if you vote against etc,

Same day - those who resign can resume their posts in a few months

Some things don't change, wonder what tomorrow's announcement from the leader will be.