Government must have vote on Brexit

500,000+ It might make the million today.

Joelsnan if everybody in the EU is rolling in money why on earth does the UK want to leave?

The EU is worth investing in and plenty invest in it , it is well organsied and productive. If the Uk could -just for once - organise themselves in manufacturing like they do for Royal occasions and the Olympics then it would really be a success story.
The fact is that these organisers dont need to work but are part of the feudal aristocratic system which holds all the purse strings and all the weight of decision making and makes those decisions to better themselves.

Roses please dont go on again about Greece when the rich Greeks could have saved Greece from all its financial trouble if they had been inclined. Germany has paid millions trying to help, they hoped to get a tax system going where each house is known to have an address and each house owner pays a few taxes for water etc. It failed. the Greeks couldn't get it going. They dIdnt want to, everybody has his mother in law and brother in law, nephews and nieces in the adminstrative office with them. The wage bill was enough to make any country bankrupt.

Why is stuff about the Trump petition even on the Brexit thread?

That sounds a bit close to home, Margaret. The rich in this country could take us out of austerity and save the NHS if they wanted to. Instead, they want the UK to be a tax haven.

Ginny put it on. She started the thread, so should know what she wanted it to be about.

Have you signed it yet, Ana?

Varian Of course the PM if Malta would say that. If the other country's that are in the brink of exiting got wind of a reasonable deal for UK, they would be out of the traps like greyhounds.
The EU will lose a lot of income from the UK both in remittances and generated trade they will have to maintain their over cumbersome and overpaid administration with around 20% less income, as a result some things in the EU will have to suffer so of course they are miffed.
Malta has benefitted from EU membership, they have nice roads now, however their importance to the EU is more to do with their strategic military position than any industrial, manufacturing or financial expertise which other countries have to rely on.

The U.K. has benefitted by money for roads too - the Heads of the Valleys Road being one of the latest. The more rural parts of Wales has benefitted immensely from funding to assist students living in areas which made it very difficult to get to FE colleges - they paid for good video links so these students could go to their local college and watch the lectures at colleges too far away.

The farmers receive great grants too - of course they now realise that the UK Govt my well not pay these grants and they will need to find some other way to make their farms so efficient they make a living. This will be very difficult on some of the farms with almost hostile terrain.

Most countries have benefitted from EU membership in some way or another. Since the vote in UK the other states have tended to get more united rather than wanting to leave - they can see the sort of problems the UK is now having trying to sort things out.

The prime minister of Malta said whatever deal we get will be inferior to the deal we have now with the eu.
He also said " Europe is facing oblivian and may not survive a fresh migrant influx this spring unless it takes radical action to crack down on stratospheric levels of economic migration * immediately*
He warned that " if this doesn't change eurosceptics will take over the block in a few years"

Since the vote in UK the other states have tended to get more united rather than wanting to leave - they can see the sort of problems the UK is now having trying to sort things out.

Have you any evidence for that opinion, Welshwife?

Malta is and always has been a friend of Britain. We should listen to our friends,

The Leave campaign kept telling us that the rest of the EU sold more to us than we sold to them and French farmers would still want to sell us their cheese and German car manufacturers would want to sell us their cars so we could call the shots, dictate our own terms, have our cake and eat it.

Sorry , no. We sell 44% of our exports to the rest of the EU. They only sell 5% of theirs to us. The interests of the French farmers and German car manufacturers will never outweigh that crucial statistic.

It is pie in the sky to think we can call the shots trying to negotiate from such a position of weakness. We can naver hope to get such a good deal as we have now as a member of the workd's largest and most successful trading bloc. It may not suit the billionaire tax exiles who own the right wing press to explain that, but it is the truth.

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Government must have a vote on Brexit.

Corbyn said this today after confirming the Labour position is to vote for triggering Article 50 :-

"Parliament has to respect the result of the Referendum.

We should not say we know better than the result of the Referendum.". (Amen to that)

On his Shadow Cabinet resignation's:-

"No need for anyone to have resigned at this stage"

Followed by

"Obviously it would be impossible to stay in the Shadow Cabinet if you actually vote against a decision made after a very frank and long discussion of the Shadow Cabinet earlier this week "

First time I agree with the Labour Leader. Will it be a different story come next week?


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Varian Your truth, not everyone's, and certainly not the majority who voted to leave.

POGS, apparently Tom Watson has been putting it about that no one will have to resign 'permanently' if they defy the whip, and Corbyn hasn't contradicted him.

Such integrity...

Ana

Yes I saw that on Sky News.

I found it an odd position to adopt but then again we are in an odd time.

Petra which part of my post do you think is untrue?

Obviously it would be impossible to stay in the shadow cabinet if you vote against etc,

Same day - those who resign can resume their posts in a few months

Some things don't change, wonder what tomorrow's announcement from the leader will be.

Ana I have seen things over the last six months which have indicated this type of opinion - both reading the press and also watching French news programmes.

It happened straight away after Brexit, didn't it? Everyone was expecting the far right to win in Austria, but they didn't, because the voters were worried about what would happen if they got in, if they would end up in a Brexit situation.

Ana, my comment about the Trump visit on this thread was pointing out that this was another issue Theresa thought to side-step, but which must now be debated. The last time I looked 846,381 people agreed it should be debated in the House. You see, Theresa is going to have to be for turning, unless and until Mr Trump demonstrates some statesmanlike qualities and desists from behaving like a loutish boor.

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The wording is:
Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen.

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Bed time!

Oh dear. Having a go at the young for not voting - but hang on a minute, I assume you were delighted that they didn't vote because it might have swung the vote the other way. In which case you'd be having a go at them for voting?

Who are you talking to Jess.... and are you on the wrong thread ( easily happens!)