UKIP leader

In case you missed it first time:
Mair
Not London, but Bristol

www.voice-online.co.uk/article/bristol%25E2%2580%2599s-first-black-bus-driver-passes-away
Born in Clarendon, Jamaica in 1936, Norman Samuels was part of the prolonged anti-racism campaign against the Bristol Omnibus Company in the 1960s.

The public transport firm in place at the time operated a ‘colour bar’ rule – a measure introduced to prevent black people from working on its buses

One of his sons, Vernon Samuels, a former international triple jumper who represented Great Britain at the Seoul Olympics in 1988, believes his father’s example encouraged him to break barriers.

But, of course, that was Bristol, not London.

However, there was a lovely tribute to him on the local news.

Cor that was brave maw and ja there will be rocks thrown at your heads

I notice you ignored my previous psot Mair about the first Bristol bus driver who fought the ban and won
and his son who represented GB in the Olympics

but I am used to being ignored

Oh and I am sure penstemmon will 'fess up to concocting that poster with her Letraset.

@mair you really are a class act.
1)you claim there were no signs saying NB, NI etc
2) * welshwife* remembers them
3)mair counters with "oh I suspect your memory is playing tricks on you"
WTF??!!??

Are you accusing a member of lying?
So you know better?
I am assuming that the official UKIP briefing notes have advised accordingly.

To want British culture to remain dominant in ones own country is not 'racist'.
But what is British culture? What is British?
Is there a definition?
It is an amalgam

Or perhaps it is defined by dancing round the Maypole? What is to stop anyone of any ethnic background doing that?
And it was probably imported with the Vikings.

Here we go again, shame - its been such a pleasant interlude.

Pens

I would very much like to see your source for the poster that was allegedLy put out in a South London Conservative party campaign in the 1960s?

I did a Google search and could only find it on far left blogs.
Anyone can create such a poster (and backstory) and upload it to try to smear a political party.

I am not saying that there wasnt real racism then, as there still is in most countries of the world today, but would still like more solid evidence that the Conservative party was back then prepared to embrace it so openly.

Yes I know it was ana

It never stops suzie

So have you, I notice, whitewave.

Laudable indeed - especially as it was roses' idea in the first place...

I have just caught up with this thread and am shocked by the unpleasant racist tone. I live in an inner London borough, it's multi cultural and but all of the schools nearby( I was a teacher and my OH a headteacher so we know a lot about local schools) , native British are a majority. By native British, I am including second and third generation black and Asian British children, but some of the posters on here would no doubt not include them.

That was for ana

Well if that is true it's a shame to see one of us not posting because of their experiences on here. I do know of others that are feeling the same so I do think there is a limit. Even you and rose, ana have been on an away day niceness, which is very laudable.

The first Asian Mayor of the Borough of Greenwich has passed away at his home in Coventry.

Gurdip Singh Dhillon was first elected to Greenwich Council in 1978, representing Charlton and later Woolwich Common. He became the Mayor of Greenwich in 1990 and continued to serve on the council until 2002. In 1996 he was awarded the MBE in the Queen's Birthday Honours.

Gurdip’s friend, Councillor Jagir Sekhon, herself a former Mayor of Greenwich, commented, “I’ve known Gurdip for the last 38 years. When I came here in 1968 we were living in rented accommodation and our families met at that time when we were both campaigning through the housing association.”

Councillor Sekhon added: “He was fantastic as a campaigner for the whole community. Nothing was ever too much for him. You could call him up at 2am and he’d be there for you. At the same time, he never said he had done something – he always said that the community has done it!”

Greenwich Council Leader Chris Roberts said, “Gurdip’s motto was always to see a better understanding between the different communities, better race relations and religious tolerance. At the same time, he championed the cause of every part of the Greenwich community. He will always be remembered as the borough’s first Asian Mayor.".

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COMMENTS

Mary says
August 10, 2009 at 4:09 pm

I wanted to say something, personally, about Gurdip, who was a friend. We were never on the Council at the same time, so I couldn’t talk about that. But I think that he did a great job in acting as a bridgehead for the Sikh community while working hard for everyone else at the same time. I too arrived in Greenwich in the late 1960s – and met Gurdip and Surinder then. They were always very hospitable and my memory tends to be a blur of late nights and hot curries – one of their parties even made it on to national TV – but those occasions were all to flag landmarks like the opening of the Sikh temple/community centre in Calderwood Street. Gurdip was a quiet, soft spoken man (with a measure of never-mentioned disability) but the task he undertook, on behalf of all our communities, was enormous – and we have a lot to thank him for.

Welshwife claimed:

I saw many of these signs when I lived in West London in the early sixties and then when I travelled further into London visiting relatives. These notices were hand written and in the front sitting room window of houses

I certainly believe you probably saw a few signs saying "Sorry no Irish" or "Sorry no blacks" - another age and atttitudes, which ar no different to what you find in most countries even today! You should just look at house sharing on Gumtree and see the ads such as 'Room in house suit Polish girl', or'Room to let to Asian man', all illegal but they get away with it.

BUT having said all that I very much doubt you EVER saw a rude sign saying ND, NB NI. I suspect your memory is playing tricks on you Welsh and telling you what you want to believe!

Because you did not see these signs really does not mean they did not exist

Of course one cannot prove a negative. The onus lies with those who claimed somthing happened to prove it! This has never been done in the case of the mythological sign. There is only one photograph and that could well have been a prank by some Trotskyist students.

Think about it, there was so much outrage even then about the sign youd think many many more would have been photographed - if they had existed!

Mair
Not London, but Bristol

www.voice-online.co.uk/article/bristol%25E2%2580%2599s-first-black-bus-driver-passes-away
Born in Clarendon, Jamaica in 1936, Norman Samuels was part of the prolonged anti-racism campaign against the Bristol Omnibus Company in the 1960s.

The public transport firm in place at the time operated a ‘colour bar’ rule – a measure introduced to prevent black people from working on its buses

One of his sons, Vernon Samuels, a former international triple jumper who represented Great Britain at the Seoul Olympics in 1988, believes his father’s example encouraged him to break barriers.

No one's left, as far as I can see. daphnedill has posted today to defend herself, so she's not gone, just lurking.

No wonder people are resigning or thinking of resigning
Why would you?
Keep responding or ignore and leave posts to stand.
No-one likes to be ignored!

It could very boring if everyone else left

Of course women could have an abortion in the 70s - perhaps not on the NHS but it wasn't illegal. And I had a tumble dryer in the 70s (late 70s, must admit).

'I lived in woolwich and Greenwich for the first 23 years of my life. As far as I could see there was no problem with black people. Most of them were from the carribean so they spoke the language and had similar values and way of life to us.
The problems were with Asian people who didn't seem to want to mix'

That's a disgravpceful comment. If you were at all aware of what was happening in the borough, you would have known Gurdip Singh Dhillon, the first Asian Mayor in Britain and the scores of active, committed Asian residents who have done so much to improve and enhance the local community.

In the 60s and 70s things were really tough on women. No abortion, virtually no childcare, limited abortion laws, no equal rights at work, the terms "sexual harrassment" and "domestic violence" had not even been invented.
Neither had tumble driers, dishwashers or microwaves.

That is what is needed, but the most important thing is proper secure jobs, that's what most people want. Not much to ask is it? But successive governments do not appear to care, but hopefully this wil now change when they understand the threat from the right. They've only to look across the Atlantic.

The regeneration of Stoke has started, let's hope it continues and there are more jobs, more hope.

We can't go back to the old days, can only move forward and the days of the potteries, the chimneys are gone and no-one really wants them back again although they may look back with nostalgia.

The Good Old Days were not really so good.

Yes I think you are right ja but we can live in hope. The only possible good that could come out if ukip win the seat, is that the government understands the threat it poses and takes action to help those folk who are unhappy enough to vote for such a far right party.