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Melania and equality

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thatbags Thu 26-Jan-17 08:07:12

Certain pictures and 'stories' about Donald and Melania Trump are appearing repeatedly on Twitter. It's interesting to compare interpretations.

This one, where Donald gets out of the limo and goes up the steps to meet the Obamas while Melania gets out of the far side of the vehicle and walks up by herself has provoked a lot of discussion reaction.

The most common interpretation is that Donald is a boor/ungentlemanly for not waiting for Melania and walking up the steps with her. I suspect this is based on the premise that he's a boor anyway and, besides, people hate him.

Another interpretation is that he is more of a gender egalitarian than we think because he was behaving just as he would have done if Melania were a man.

The latter interpretation made me wonder if Theresa May 'waits for' Philip May in similar circumstances or whether he just 'follows' in due course?

merlotgran Thu 26-Jan-17 15:53:51

I think a lot of thought went into it, gillybob. Somebody's 'avin' a larf! grin

thatbags Thu 26-Jan-17 15:53:49

I think you’ve missed the point, dj. The OP and the second post by the OP-er are about interpretations of media reports about very very very public figures. Admittedly the thread has wandered a bit, as they are wont to do, but don't miss an opportunity to have a dig or I'd worry about you wink

gillybob Thu 26-Jan-17 15:38:23

I have just read in the DM that Mrs May will present President T with a "Quaich" which is apparently an ancient Scottish (whisky)sharing cup. She is gifting The first lady with a box of cakes and other sweet treats.

Firstly Mr T doesn't drink alcohol and is a bit of a germophobe(is there such a word?) and Mrs T only eats healthy food (Fruit and Vegetables).

We will definitely go to the bottom of the trade deal pile now won't we?

Although it is the thought that counts. just not much thought went into it

gillybob Thu 26-Jan-17 15:22:32

I think this is a good thread and just goes to show that some people seem to have taken a dislike to Melania for no other reason than the fact that they dislike her husband and/or his politics.

gillybob Thu 26-Jan-17 15:19:39

Plenty (ordinary) people have minions too sunseeker, or so I am told. Apparently even some working class people have cleaners these days (although I do find that hard to believe).

The (serious) point I was making though, is that neither of them had a little woman on hand to hold/give/carry the gift for them.

MawBroon Thu 26-Jan-17 15:15:14

Not often we agree durhamjen but I am totally with you on that grin

sunseeker Thu 26-Jan-17 15:12:59

Do people honestly believe the first family does not have "minions" on hand to help them.

gillybob Thu 26-Jan-17 15:05:36

It is rather sad Anniebach and I am glad neither of them had a minion in waiting, either to carry or to receive the gift.

I don't know about adjusting to customs. Is there a custom on giving and receiving gifts?

Ana Thu 26-Jan-17 14:59:29

Ooh, Annie - pot/kettle! grin
(your post of 13.55 today)

Anniebach Thu 26-Jan-17 14:55:25

Seems Michelle should hav had a lady in waiting at her side to receive it Gillybob.

This nit picking on the giving and receiving of a gift is rather sad

How long she has lived in America does make a difference in adjusting to customs

sunseeker Thu 26-Jan-17 14:52:49

Can poor Melania win? She brought a gift so is wrong. If she hadn't brought a gift would everyone be saying it was because she disliked Michelle? I usually hand over a gift as soon as I meet my host, this is what Melania did. Can people please stop attacking this woman simply because of the man she is married to.

durhamjen Thu 26-Jan-17 14:51:28

People have complained about Melania being discussed as an adjunct to her husband.
Which begs the question, why start this thread?

gillybob Thu 26-Jan-17 14:50:33

I believe she has lived in the USA for around 20 years Anniebach but why should that make a difference?

What should she have done? carry the gift in a shopping bag? or perhaps (like the queen)have a minion following behind her to hold it?

Devorgilla Thu 26-Jan-17 14:49:59

I'm not American either Jalima. However, when faced with a decision which a sizeable proportion of the electorate think is not to their, and the world's advantage, I believe we have a duty to work seriously to do something about it be it in the politics of our own country or one which affects the whole world. It has to be a serious, well thought out approach, though rather than the continuing knee jerk reaction. Well presented arguments and robust debate is usually the way forward.

gillybob Thu 26-Jan-17 14:45:46

I thought "the gift" was a lovely, warm, gesture from one lady to another. Who knows, it might have contained diamonds

They are a girls best friend after all.

Anniebach Thu 26-Jan-17 14:44:30

And do they wait untill thry step,inside the door Jalima or give their plates of biscuits or cakes on the garden path or at the front gate , and how many years has she lived in America?

Why should anyone anticipate a gift Ana, it is a custom with heads of state and PM's to exchange gifts, but not at the front door

Jalima Thu 26-Jan-17 14:35:09

Presumably she'll need every penny she can get now, husband out of a job and no home.

(that was a joke btw daphnedill !

daphnedill Thu 26-Jan-17 14:10:19

Michelle didn't waste much time putting the box on eBay grin
www.ebay.com/itm/Tiffany-Box-Pouch-And-Ribbon-/232213225355?hash=item3610fc9f8b:g:p2sAAOSwZQRYg6Kb

Ana Thu 26-Jan-17 14:08:24

I think Michelle should have anticipated the possibility that Melania would bring a gift and accepted it with more grace than she did.

When would you expect her to present it, Annie?

Jalima Thu 26-Jan-17 14:05:04

She is from the former Yugoslavia - you never, ever go anywhere empty-handed. If invited even just for coffee they take just some nice biscuits or a cake.

Anniebach Thu 26-Jan-17 13:55:59

Stansgran, unlike your own dear queen, Michelle Obama doesn't have a lady in waiting hovering a few feet away to save the Royal hands from being overloaded with two bunches of flowers

Poor Michelle, no table near, no lady in waiting, should she have put it on the ground?

The one at fault was the present Mrs Trump for the need to hand over a gift on the doorstep in front on cameras

Jalima Thu 26-Jan-17 13:44:50

Now is the time to start planning to reverse the decision next time.
Well, I can't plan anything because I'm not American

Jalima Thu 26-Jan-17 13:44:06

they used to be called 'sugar daddies' but usually avoid marriage.

Perhaps Michelle looked awkward because she hadn't bought Melania a gift.
Oh, that awful feeling

suzied Thu 26-Jan-17 13:40:46

I think it is sexist to criticise a younger glamorous women who hitches up with an old , wealthy man as "gold diggers". Surely the older man can be equally criticised for buying her for her youth, sexiness, trophy wife etc. He is gaining as much in the relationship as she is.

gillybob Thu 26-Jan-17 13:36:56

I couldn't help but wonder what was in "that" box. It was very nicely wrapped.

Posh chocolates?
Bath Bombs?
A silk Scarf?
A photo frame?
Sexy Underwear?
a manual on how to please your man?