Melania and equality

Rigby you are just adding to the hate being spread around ( Melania Trump) that in itself is pretty vile to me.

The £50,000 btw was for false expenses accounts, he drew the cash and spent it.

djen.... you ask why I never believe anything you say, well, it is not always the things you say as what you leave out !
In the case of Wade Jordan, I have now looked at the Manchester Police site to see what the case really was about.
He was convicted of four counts of fraud and perverting the course of justice.
He diddled his employers out of a total of £50,000 ( and yes he had lied about having a degree but would certainly not have been jailed for that!!!) He had also altered a doctors note saying that the trial should be delayed ( perverting the course of justice.)
Telling part of a story djen is not telling the whole truth.

May has sorted all this out, What Trump and America does is not for us to question. I assume that goes for his wife too.

absent - what's your view on her going on national TV and supporting her husband I in his filthy, vile , racist birther views?

Backtracking slightly. I also backtracked to look at the moment when Melania Trump gave her gift to Michelle Obama. It was a very short interlude and I suppose people can draw whatever conclusions they like. The sound recording was iffy but I thought Melania Trump said something about "yummies before they go to Capitol Hill" – an expression that might make another adult look a little bemused, especially as she seemed rather uncertain about "yummies" in the first place. Almost immediately, Donald Trump barged – and I use that word quite deliberately – between the two women. I consider that to be extremely discourteous and I think it also wrong-footed Michelle Obama who was trying to juggle yummies and hand shakes at the same time.

I am horrified by many of the things that President Trump has done and said, some of them political, some not. I have no reason to criticise his wife and feel some sympathy with a non-political woman, which I think she is, plunged into this amorphous role of First Lady. I thought she maintained herself graciously during the inauguration, her outfit was delightful and wholly appropriate, and there is no denying that she is a very attractive woman. I have read that the now deleted claim on the website that she has a degree is false but, frankly, first degrees are two a penny these days and really don't mean very much. Lying, of course, does matter – but who ran the website? That she speaks a number of languages is to her credit but people from European countries whose first language is not one other Europeans tend to study usually are linguists – for example, not may people choose to learn Dutch but the Dutch are fluent in at least two, and often more languages. I also speak five languages and can read a couple more – so reasonably bright, but no cigar for intellect in my opinion.

Nude photos are iffy. It would make Brits, however liberal minded, feel a little uncomfortable if there were similar, not paparazzi, photographs of the royal family. That does remind me of the Donald Trump tweet urging the Duchess of Cambridge to get her tits out.

Thanks, Rigby.

"In addition, the intention must be to make to make a gain and obtaining employment would certainly fit this criteria.

No gain actually needs to be made and, therefore, a person could be guilty of this offence even if they did not actually successfully get the position through the lie.

But one Manchester man has already seen the dangers of telling lies on his CV.

In Manchester this year, Wade Jordan was jailed for three years for fraud and perverting the course of justice.

Jordan landed an HR role at biotechnology firm Qiagen by claiming he had an MA in human resource management from Manchester Metropolitan University."
Not the NHS. This was in 2014. There is now a company which checks up on people's CVs when they say they have degrees.

No, he said he had a degree and he didn't. It was to get a better job than he could have had. NHS, I think it was.

The reason it was with the fraud office is because the number of cases has risen lately. That was in 2014. Why do you always have to disbelieve what I say, roses?

www.ft.com/content/3bbd58ec-6df3-11e1-b98d-00144feab49a

roses - dj is right about lying on (as opposed to embellishing) a cv as part of a job application. Just lying about having a degree as MT, or someone in her team did, is of course, not against the law but is stupid and pathetic. Others who have lied about having higher educational qualifications than they had include IDS and Jeffrey Archer

We don't know what Maizie meant at all, it was a weird remark....there has been no violent language that was defended by anybody.Nobody here has defended the use of torture either djen you are now casting about wildly for reasons.
The man who lied on his cv.......what job had he applied for that he was sent to prison, because we were talking about saying a person had a degree when they hadn't, you certainly don't get banged up for that! So, I am thinking it was something along the lines of driving a HGV or masquerading as a doctor/policeman?
People add all sorts to their cv to enhance it, so we are not talking 'normal' here are we?

Maybe she meant defending the use of torture? That sounds quite violent to me.

Sounds like a storm in a teacup to me

I was replying to yours ana about me being po faced and then the use of violent language. I didn't realise that you were talking to someone else!!

All in the dark? Not in the dark at all. Just not as bothered as you.

So we're all in the dark as to this alleged 'violent language'.

Do you actually read threads before you comment, whitewave?

MaizieD Sat 28-Jan-17 18:27:00

Well I never! All this sanctimony from the posters who defended the use of violent language

I can't imagine her using violent language.

?

Ask MaizieD.

What violent language?

Oh dear, as po-faced as ever!

(still waiting to hear about the 'violent language' some of us are supposed to have supported, but I won't hold my breath...)

Which president is she married to ana?

Yes, Theresa May certainly is indeed a good role model durhamjen, glad you realise that!

"But one Manchester man has already seen the dangers of telling lies on his CV.

In Manchester this year, Wade Jordan was jailed for three years for fraud and perverting the course of justice."

Just so you know it wasn't a lie or exaggeration, roses. Lying on your CV is fraud.
You can get up to ten years in jail for it in this country. Of course, being the first lady in America, it doesn't matter, does it?
I know which of the first ladies I'd rather my grandaughters thought about as a role model.