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Melania and equality

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thatbags Thu 26-Jan-17 08:07:12

Certain pictures and 'stories' about Donald and Melania Trump are appearing repeatedly on Twitter. It's interesting to compare interpretations.

This one, where Donald gets out of the limo and goes up the steps to meet the Obamas while Melania gets out of the far side of the vehicle and walks up by herself has provoked a lot of discussion reaction.

The most common interpretation is that Donald is a boor/ungentlemanly for not waiting for Melania and walking up the steps with her. I suspect this is based on the premise that he's a boor anyway and, besides, people hate him.

Another interpretation is that he is more of a gender egalitarian than we think because he was behaving just as he would have done if Melania were a man.

The latter interpretation made me wonder if Theresa May 'waits for' Philip May in similar circumstances or whether he just 'follows' in due course?

durhamjen Sat 28-Jan-17 17:00:42

Donald Trump was never shy of publicity, was he. Neither was his wife. She did a nude photoshoot on his plane in 2000.

Jalima Sat 28-Jan-17 16:48:43

trisher I have always been a supporter of Michelle Obama and started a thread to say that we will miss this First Lady.
Or perhaps you didn't see that.

People were commenting on Melania Trump's looks (and it is one aspect that you in particular were very judgemental about) and I am just aghast at some of the nastiness in the media.

MaizieD as far as I am aware no-one thinks my DH is an arsehole; he is not so much in the public eye as Trump, of course (but well-known in some circles). That is what it's all about though, isn't it - the world's eyes on them both now, whatever they do or don't do will be picked up, scrutinised, criticised and pulled to pieces.

Thank goodness DH didn't run for President grin

Ana Sat 28-Jan-17 16:40:50

hmm

whitewave Sat 28-Jan-17 16:39:09

grin oh pogs! That is a delightful post.

POGS Sat 28-Jan-17 16:36:39

"What's stopping the deleted poster explaining their line of thought. "

Nothing!

However the only way to explain their line of thought to those who may not have read their deleted post requires referring back to what they had said/posted and if it has been deleted that is impossible to do without referring back to their deleted post and referring back to what 'someone' has deemed as worth reporting". It's a circle that cannot be broken.

Personally I think it would also be incumbent on the person who had a post deleted to ' explain their line of thought'.

whitewave Sat 28-Jan-17 16:24:17

What's stopping the deleted poster explaining their line of thought. I don't understand your point. Of course any deletion will be done retrospectively.

POGS Sat 28-Jan-17 16:15:41

No I don't WW.

I am getting fed up with posters getting things deleted , not at the time the post was made but at a later time when the person who has their post deleted cannot defend their position.

I have said before it is too easy for a poster to make an accusation and that accusation remains for all to see but the accused has no chance of redress. It has happened to me recently and I call it 'enabling by deletion', enabling a poster to keep their comments on display but getting rid of any post that could challenge their thought.

whitewave Sat 28-Jan-17 16:06:34

OK ana let's put it this way. I know when to let things drop. Does that suit you better?

Ana Sat 28-Jan-17 16:04:04

Why on earth should POGS act according to what you lot want? Honestly, you should listen to yourselves...

whitewave Sat 28-Jan-17 16:01:24

You need to know when to let things drop pogs

POGS Sat 28-Jan-17 15:58:55

WW

'Context all is context'

I couldn't agree more. So let's look at what Mair wrote for 'context' .

Oh we can't because it has 'just' been deleted by GNHQ as it has 'suddenly been reported'. I had just copied the words Mair used to prove a point but can't now. angry

As for 'context', what is the 'context' when saying

"mair that comment was beyond disgraceful regarding Michele Obama. Whatever is your problem?"

"Mair just seen you comment re MO - I think it's absolutely disgusting"

Were you not making an assumption that Mair was being racist but I saw no intention of that in her post and I will stand by that. Then again I knew what the saying 'BDC' meant in context.

Ana Sat 28-Jan-17 15:41:49

I see the itchy-finger brigade have done their worst again! You're lucky your post wasn't deleted as well, POGS!

Ana Sat 28-Jan-17 15:34:42

Can't wait until we move on to how much 'compassion' Melania has or might have...

sunseeker Sat 28-Jan-17 15:31:08

trisher just because someone doesn't pursue an academic career doesn't make them stupid. I would also venture to say that the university Melania attended wasn't on quite the same level as Princeton and Harvard. That is not to underplay the hard work that Michelle must have done, just that you can't judge someone merely on academic prowess.

Rigby46 Sat 28-Jan-17 15:29:48

Yes - I accept I was too quick off the draw with my response. I suppose I just dislike comments that say blacks this, Irish that etc and put this in that category. i wouldn't use it myself though but that's my choice. But then I wouldn't be commenting on the appearance of either of the two women

Ana Sat 28-Jan-17 15:15:03

What was wrong with the context in which Mair ussed it?

whitewave Sat 28-Jan-17 15:11:15

Context all is context

sunseeker Sat 28-Jan-17 15:09:49

This phrase was used by a West Indian friend of mine when I complimented her on her smooth skin.

POGS Sat 28-Jan-17 15:07:42

Not standing up for Mair but are posters making a link between Mair saying 'Black Don't Crack' and racism?

Are posters aware the term Black don't Crack' has a history and it is not racist in it's meaning.

It is speaking of the fact people of a dark skin are given to having a good complexion so in some way is a compliment.

I don't like links willy nilly but this link might explain it better and there is plenty of reading material to substantiate this point.

www.africanvoiceonline.co.uk/scientists-discover-why-black-dont-crack/

"Black don't crack' . A phrase often used to explain the fact that many people of colour, often look much younger than they actually are. For a long time, people have wondered why celebrities like Halle Berry and Stacey Dash, have failed to age in the last twenty years. Until recently people assumed that it was the sun-protecting melanin in the skin of those with darker complexions, that keeps those with darker skin tones looking fresh well into mid-life, however a recent study has revealed that, in fact, more complex genetics are at play."

Not that I am remotely interested in either Michelle Obama nor Malania Trumps appearance other than to say I think they are both beautiful, elegant women.

trisher Sat 28-Jan-17 15:04:39

But up until then sunseeker their backgrounds were fairly similar, so if she wished presumably Melania could have pursued an academic career. She obviously felt this was something lacking in her when she claimed to have a degree n architecture and design.

sunseeker Sat 28-Jan-17 14:57:21

To be fair Michelle Obama attended both Princeton and Harvard Law School. Melania Trump dropped out of University of Ljubljana after one year so lets cut her some slack!

whitewave Sat 28-Jan-17 14:52:27

rigby except when she pinches others words like MO

trisher Sat 28-Jan-17 14:47:38

No idea dj do you think it's something like a Chinese wall in legal speak?

I have read about her languages and comments seem to vary about her fluency etc. But I will say I admire her for this and having seen the Slovak and other Balkan languages and their alphabet it is an achievement to learn another language anyway.
But I still think Michelle is far ahead of her in all areas.

Rigby46 Sat 28-Jan-17 14:46:42

Her actual words, not her accent ( and poor grammar) are what make her sound stupid.

whitewave Sat 28-Jan-17 14:45:36

mair that comment was beyond disgraceful regarding Michele Obama. Whatever is your problem?