The Trump presidency

Narcissistic personality disorder in itself would not be certifiable but only if a person with that disorder displayed traits that caused them to be
at risk of harm to themselves or others

In this country 'being certified' means being detained under the Mental Health Act for urgent treatment without their agreement.

Being certifiable means ( in this context ) that the person is treated, when many narcissistic personalities and psychopaths too,can hold very resonsible jobs
In other words, you don't get sectioned and locked up.
Most people never have formal diagnosis or treatment for it.
I agree Jalima that offering up thoughts on anybody, and saying they may have this or that mental disorder is impossible by unqualified people.

I agree Elrel. It's enough to make me turn into a royalist!

I think Charles should take him on a tour of one of his eco-projects. He could always take Princess Anne along for protection.

Elrel I agree

Who is the White House to advise the heir to the throne what to say in his own country? What a cheek. If Trump were to 'erupt' while in conversation with him it would show him in his true colours and betray his inability to control himself.

Yes annie I think that's right

I agree only qualified practitioners can make a diagnosis of a mental illness but I disagree that no one who isn't qualified are unable to recognise symptoms of a mental illness

daph what an interesting post.

Thank you for the reminder, Jalima. We can't make a diagnosis, of course. However, some psychiatrists seem to have broken protocol and made a diagnosis. I don't think that can be ignored. It would certainly explain some of the bizarre and dangerous behaviour.

I was refuting roses assertion that narcissistic personality disorder is not certifiable, when it is.

Article about 'globalism' from the New York Times. I know some people don't like links, so have copied and pasted the whole article:

Globalism: A Far-Right Conspiracy Theory Buoyed by Trump
By LIAM STACK NOV. 14, 2016
Donald J. Trump’s election victory was powered in part by forceful opposition to what he described as an economic and political system rigged against the American people for the benefit of shadowy forces in the news media, the banks and the government.

President-elect Trump and his allies often describe that system with one word: globalism.

It is a word that conjures many images, none of them good: shuttered factories, unchecked immigration and a distant cabal that, believers say, controls the economy and the media.
Analysts who track extremist groups in the United States have expressed alarm at the use of the word by the president-elect. They say it carries multiple meanings — from benign to sinister — and often serves as a “dog whistle” for racist, anti-Semitic and antigovernment conspiracy theorists.

“Globalism is a principle driver for the fears that animate the radical right in the United States,” said Ryan Lenz, the editor of Hatewatch, a blog published by the Southern Poverty Law Center. “It is the enemy, ultimately.”
What Is Globalism?
Globalism is often used as a synonym for globalization, the system of global economic interconnection that has been critiqued for decades by liberal groups like labor unions, environmental organizations and opponents of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. But for the far right, the term encapsulates a conspiratorial worldview based on racism, xenophobia and anti-Semitism, according to Mark Pitcavage, a researcher at the Anti-Defamation League.

Lauren Southern, a host on the right-wing Canadian media site Rebel Media, explicitly rejected its use as a synonym for globalization in a video she posted online in September. She said the word meant rule by autocrats — such as President Obama, former President George W. Bush and the United Nations — who value “the false flag of diversity” and “unchecked immigration from the third world.”

“Globalists almost always sneer down their nose at tradition, disdain national culture, laugh at religion and generally despise the West while holding a creepy affection for the third world,” she added. “They want open borders, cheap labor and antinationalism to benefit their business and political visions, and are all too willing to shaft the little people to achieve it.”

Breitbart News, the hard-right website run by Stephen K. Bannon, Mr. Trump’s newly appointed chief White House strategist, frequently attacked globalism and so-called “globalist elites” during Mr. Bannon’s tenure there. But no one may have done more to popularize the idea of a globalist conspiracy than Alex Jones, a far-right radio host who commands an online audience of millions through his Infowars media empire.

He has been called “the most prolific conspiracy theorist in contemporary America” by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Among his claims: the Sandy Hook school massacre in Newtown, Conn., was a hoax and the Sept. 11 terror attacks were an inside job.

Mr. Jones posted his own definition of globalism to YouTube in 2014. In his trademark shout, he described it as a “global digital panopticon control system” engineered by shadowy corporate and political elites. He called it “the total form of slavery.”

The host, who has enthusiastically supported Mr. Trump, hailed the Republican as a “George Washington-level” historical figure. Mr. Trump, who appeared on his show last year, has in turn heaped praise upon Mr. Jones.

“Your reputation is amazing,” Mr. Trump said. “I will not let you down. You will be very, very impressed, I hope. And I think we’ll be speaking a lot.”

So what is Mr. Trump talking about when he talks about globalism? His spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, provided a definition in an email before the election last week:
“An economic and political ideology which puts allegiance to international institutions ahead of the nation-state; seeks the unrestricted movement of goods, labor and people across borders; and rejects the principle that the citizens of a country are entitled to preference for jobs and other economic considerations as a virtue of their citizenship.”
Where Did This Idea Come From?
Far-right groups in the United States began to refer to globalism at the end of the Cold War, when it replaced communism as an idea that was an ever-present danger to the nation, Mr. Pitcavage said. They have also referred to it as the New World Order, and soon they saw its tentacles everywhere.

The shape of that conspiracy had distinctly anti-Semitic overtones, in part because many of communism’s foes had historically seen communism as inextricably linked to Judaism, Mr. Pitcavage said. Members of the far right became fixated on prominent Jews like the businessman and philanthropist George Soros.

Those conspiratorial beliefs were bolstered when former President George Bush celebrated the end of the Cold War in a 1991 speech by saying it was the dawn of a “new world order.” His use of the phrase was taken as proof by many that a globalist conspiracy really was afoot.

“It was very easy for them, especially because he was the one who said it, to take that ball and run with it,” Mr. Pitcavage said. “From that point on, the phrase became the short hand for that kind of globalism conspiracy theory.”

How Does It Fit Into American Politics?
The term’s multiple meanings have made it a powerful political tool, and Mr. Trump’s and his allies’ frequent references to globalism have drawn in a wide and varied audience.

“Anti-globalism is a very efficient net to unite disparate parts of the right” from the mainstream to the extreme, said Brian Levin, the director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino.
Professor Levin called globalism “the defining folklore and narrative for the racist right” but said it had also “become a convenient boogeyman to explain the various declines that the United States is perceived to be in.”

Globalism was an important theme in the final weeks of Mr. Trump’s campaign, for example, when he told a rally in Florida in October that his opponent for the presidency, Hillary Clinton, had sat at the heart of a globe-spanning conspiracy with international bankers “to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty.”

The Anti-Defamation League criticized the speech for “evoking classic anti-Semitic themes.”

Conspiratorial talk has continued after the election. Mr. Trump referred to a plot against him again last Thursday, when he complained on Twitter that anti-Trump protests were the work of the news media and paid protesters. Lou Dobbs, a Trump ally and host on Fox Business News, later accused Mr. Soros of “inciting riots.”

Many on the far right have celebrated Mr. Trump’s election victory as a momentous blow against the globalist conspiracy.
Last Friday, Mr. Jones claimed on YouTube that Mr. Trump had called him personally to thank him and his audience for their support and to offer to appear on his show again soon. Ms. Hicks, the Trump campaign’s spokeswoman, did not reply to an email seeking comment late Sunday night.

Mr. Jones then pivoted to what he thought was most important: the coming destruction of “the globalists that hijacked the country,” primarily the news media and international business people. Soon they would be destroyed once and for all, he suggested.

“This is America battling back to restore humanity and to break the chains,” he said. “There’s not gonna be any détente. We know you’re scum, and we’re just here to let you know you’re scum.”

May I remind posters of this thread?:

www.gransnet.com/forums/relationships/a1233193-How-Can-Anyone-Diagnose-Another-Person-Mentally-Unless-They-Are-Qualified

And the last post on that thread:
The answer to the OP is that they can't

I think Sally Yates knew she would be sacked for some reason, so she might as well stick her neck out and make a point..

I don't think ANY women will remain in high posts, does anyone here?

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is in the ‘Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders’ (DSM), which is considered to be the ‘bible’ of psychiatric disorders. I have no idea how the American legal system works with regards to mental health and the equivalent of sectioning, but it is quite clear that the man is ‘certifiable’ and not fit for office.

Perhaps he should do something about the gun laws, too...

In the 14 years since the Sept. 11 terror attacks, nearly twice as many people have been killed in the United States by white supremacists and anti-government radicals than by Muslim jihadis

If Trump really wants to protect Americans it would seem he needs to focus on his right wing /KKK pals too!

Trump's sacking of the Attorney General is sending out a worrying message. He really is showing signs of dictatorship. I did think that the checks and balances of the American political system would prevent this. ?

I saw about Obama * Chewbacca* - he did have a list but it was not to ban them - I think it was for them to require a full visa like many other countries instead of the visa waiver scheme like us - quite different.
I think thirty years ago we needed full visas as I remember going to the Embassy in Grosvenor Square with DS when he was representing GB at a Science fair. I seem to remember quite a bit if paperwork was needed but it was a very civilised process for us.

WW I have a BiL who is, now, an American citizen. I'm ashamed to admit it but from his FB page he obviously voted Trump. I am starting to see signs of embarrassment re his support on his FB page, just subtle little signs so far. I'm hoping this might indicate that some, former supporters, are starting to see Trump for the embarrassing idiot that he is.

dreaming of him? Poor you Elrel

Jess it's about to be tested.

Wonder what the checks and balances are thinking?

Saw a tweet yesterday from a young American which said.

Number of days when the President hasn't been a total fucking embarrassment

Answer = nil

I don't think his condition is as simple as narcissism.....I'm waiting for the yellow van and men in white coats.

The US constitution is supposed to be written to prevent a seizure of unreasonable power by a mad king - in other words a despot of fascist.
It has never really been tested. Trump has sacked the attorney general. This is not a good sign. What do despots and fascists do? They ride roughshod over the law when it suits them.
Whether or when there is a State Visit to the UK is a sideshow.

A narcissist is not 'certifiable' ...... if it was the case,half the heads of big corporations would be locked up. and I think more than a few psychopaths hold top jobs too.

I will repeat, for about the fourth time on GN, he is clearly certifiable