Freedom of speech

durhamjen 17.54
Mr. Trump was asked about being exposed in an interview and he said:

To support the credibility of this post, please could you substantiate it with a link to your source. If you're unable to do that, I'll report it as being libelous.

Our speech is not free after decades of political correctness.
Not so
You are, as I will now demonstrate, free to say "nigger". You are free to say it. I just did. People are free to react to you saying it and to judge you for saying it, but you will not be torchured or imprisoned for saying it, you're free to do so, and if you do, people are free to dislike you for it. People are free to tell you why they don't think it's a decent thing to say in modern society. You're still free to say it.

Annie, didn't you read what Lord Fowler said?

What freedom of speech means:
Not being imprisoned for saying something that is not 100% in line with the current rulers/government
Not being torchured, hurt, beaten etc for saying something
Not having your family hurt/killed because of what you said
Not being fired for openly voting for a different party to your boss

What freedom of speech doesn't mean
That everyone must host you, and listen to you, and nobody can chose not to
That nobody should question what you say, hold it up against facts, or re-call and repeat what you've said at a later date
That you can have YOUR opinion, but if someone else's opinion is that they disagree with you, they can't say that, because "freedom of speech"

But is it correct thst he shouldn't have informed the house

re "anti-Bercow prejudice" mentioned up thread:

"It is possible to agree with the sentiment that a new, unproven and divisive president should not be given the highest honour parliament can bestow while also thinking that it is not Bercow’s place to state it publicly."

Matt Chorley

We are discussing 'free speech' way after the horse has bolted.

Our speech is not free after decades of political correctness. And since language preforms thought we don't think freely anymore either.

People are frightened to speak and often afraid to think I reckon. We've been and are still continually invited by PC to not trust ourselves to think along decent lines or form decent minded opinions. PC undermines and this subtly constrains intellect.

Ordinary decent folk who voted Brexit for reasons to do with sovereignty were told anyway by London's Mayor and others that they were 'haters'. So even when we're not, we are. PC makes us so.

So then what are we left with? A race to the bottom line: "what's the PC opinion of the moment please cos whatever it is, I'll have that cos then I can be up for a spot of virtue signalling too! And not even any thinking required!"

This is the country I grew up in?

Wondered why there was no link.

djen now you realise why I am sceptical about your sources.

Exactly Mair you have to be very careful about these things.

i agree with freedom of speech and i feel that , in general, we are too touchy and too concerned these days with the oft used words racism and feminism, Mr Trump. unlike most politicians , is not afraid to speak his mind plus he does what he says he will do , getting past the name calling , i think he will be a big asset to the UK if we just give him a chance

hoax-alert.leadstories.com/061972-hoax-alert-donald-trump-not-exposed-as-member-of-the-kkk-by-anonymous.html

I think DJ you should be very careful about spreading lies about Trump. You wouldnt want Gnet to get into trouble would you?

Not that it has anything to do with the thread, but I was just curious, as Trump has always ummed and erred about it when asked.

Although it's (KKK) a legal group , I am surprised that Trump says he is an active member ( his Father was I think) so what is the source of the interview djen?

Djen... this thread is about freedom of speech.

Heck.

We believe this to be a fake news story that is going viral so have deleted.

No roses, it reached 1000 posts and has now disappeared off the Active list.

JessM says 'I do begin to wonder at the anti-Bercow prejudice shown on here and what lies behind it'
I think enough posters have already said it, Bercow is a bit of a show off, but went way beyond his job by speaking as he did, more to the point, instead of wondering about what lies behind Gransnetters views, I wonder what lies behind his outburst, a desire to punish the government for Brexit ( allowing a referendum) or something more?
He is very disliked I have read,by a great deal of Conservatives anyway.
He could have had his say when the time was appropriate.

It's about freedom of speech, though.
Am I not allowed to say that as Trump doesn't allow freedom of speech, we should not allow him the freedom to speak in Westminster Hall?
Or is the idea of the right to freedom of speech for all too difficult for some people to understand?
If Trump wants freedom of speech for himself, he should allow it to others.

dj are you trying to allude that donald trump is a member of kkk
Is it definite that he is??

www.taxresearch.org.uk

Fitzy54, we don't have a constitution.
I understand that the speaker only has to be neutral as far as anything domestic is concerned.

For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, it's easy to find on www.taxresearch.org.uk

Isn't there still an old Trump Presidency thread going Ana?

Exactly Fitzy