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Christinefrance Mon 06-Feb-17 19:32:14

I've just heard that the Speaker Mr Bercow wants to ban Donald Trump from speaking in the House. Whilst not in agreement with most of the Donald 's ideas I do believe in the freedom of speech. What do others think ?

Ana Mon 13-Feb-17 17:41:09

Just googled it:

The phrase pearl clutching, which means being shocked by something once-salacious that should now be seen as commonplace, like sex, is ubiquitous on blog posts, especially in media geared towards women.

Oh.

Rigby46 Mon 13-Feb-17 17:49:12

It's moved on Ana and is now much more used to mean an over reaction to something - maybe with overtones of a rather 'faux' sense of shock that is over stated and quite out of proportion to the event that causes the reaction

Rigby46 Mon 13-Feb-17 17:50:57

No not all and sundry at all Ana but a different set of posters

Ana Mon 13-Feb-17 17:55:50

A different set, and a much bigger one, I'd have thought. After all, those who voted Remain are much more vocal and post more on here than those who voted to Leave.

And surely the majority on both sides would he aghast if Bercow had said he was looking forward to Trump speaking?

Ana Mon 13-Feb-17 17:56:32

Especially if he'd issued an invitation there and then!

whitewave Mon 13-Feb-17 18:05:26

Yes of course they would. Who wouldn't? But not for the reasons you Are suggesting, ana merely because Trump is so ghastly.

Ana Mon 13-Feb-17 18:07:56

I wasn't suggesting any reasons other than that he's ghastly, whitewave confused

whitewave Mon 13-Feb-17 18:10:49

Oh! I misread. I have one eye on here and one eye on the television.

Fitzy54 Mon 13-Feb-17 18:18:49

Rigby- asuming I'm one of your pearl clutchers I have no hesitation in saying that I would have criticised Bercow just as much. More so maybe as I agree with every word he actually did say. As far as I am concern d the issue here is not the content of his speech but the absolute necessity for the speaker to do his job properly. We have plenty of other MPs who can argue issues like this. His job is to try to ensure all sides have their say.
Whitewave - this isn't all irrelevant unless you have no interest in the point of principle being made and in ensuring that those who govern us comply with UK constitutional law.

whitewave Mon 13-Feb-17 18:22:28

I don't agree with the point being made though.

durhamjen Mon 13-Feb-17 18:25:02

MPs queuing up to get rid of Bercow.
The only signature on Duddidge's EDM is his own.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 13-Feb-17 18:27:07

After all, those who voted Remain are much more vocal and post more on here than those who voted to Leave.

When was that survey done Ana and where can I find it? It is certainly counter to how I have perceived the posts.

Welshwife Mon 13-Feb-17 18:28:36

He should have consulted the Speaker of the House of Lords but I think they are the ones who decide who is invited to speak in Westminster Hall.
Could it possibly have been that if he had been requested in the HoC to ask DT to speak and he had obviously decided not to it would have been more embarrassing to say no than nip it in the bud?

Ana Mon 13-Feb-17 18:30:23

Really?

It would be interesting to see how many names we can come up with for each 'side' but we obviously perceive the posts differently, somehow. I think I'll do a bit of private totting-up...

GracesGranMK2 Mon 13-Feb-17 18:33:16

I don't think names would be creditable Ana but you could try how often they post.

durhamjen Mon 13-Feb-17 18:34:18

'Of course, the argument that Bercow is not neutral when it comes to Brexit debates would carry more weight if someone had complained about his behaviour before the video emerged. Indeed, Whittingdale said he believed Bercow had actually voted Leave until he saw the footage – suggesting the Speaker had done a good job in hiding his true allegiance.'

From the Guardian.

Jalima Mon 13-Feb-17 18:35:39

I'm not sure who exactly 'pearl clutchers' are supposed to be, but there would have been howls of outrage if the speaker had said either of the things you suggest, Rigby, from all and sundry
I will second that Ana

I haven't noticed many fitting the description of 'pearl clutcher' grin

durhamjen Mon 13-Feb-17 18:39:58

I've never had any pearls to clutch. Doesn't fit in with my lifestyle.

Ana Mon 13-Feb-17 18:41:04

Well, GracesgranMk2, as those on the left post a lot more than those on the right, and most of them voted to Remain, I rest my case.

Ana Mon 13-Feb-17 18:41:40

(on the political threads, of course. Some don't seem to post anywhere else on GN)

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 18:42:33

Which article in the guardian does that come form durhamjen. I have googled twice and cant find it.

durhamjen Mon 13-Feb-17 18:49:40

I think Bercow had no need to ask MPs about what he should say.

www.parliament.uk/edm/2016-17/890

No Conservative members signed, but there is no EDM asking for him to come and talk to them, which there could have been.

Ana Mon 13-Feb-17 18:53:32

I can't find it either Ankers, but I'm sure durhamjen will get back to you soon.

Rigby46 Mon 13-Feb-17 18:54:35

(on the political threads, of course. Some don't seem to post anywhere else on GN)
And your point is ana ?

Rigby46 Mon 13-Feb-17 18:56:39

I can't find it either Ankers, but I'm sure durhamjen will get back to you soon

And again, your point is ana?