Freedom of speech

Freedom of speech, are the bringing that in?

They are all hypocrites and liars and 'freedoms' seem to apply mostly to those in fancy dress.......it was highly inappropriate for him to have a rant, while we are paying him to do a job.

I was also disappointed, that he was so ridiculous inviting the baby in for the Brexit vote........is is beyond an MP's organisational skills, that she ask someone to hold her child for a few minutes while she walks through the voting procedure?

Maybe he felt more comfortable when there was someone of his own stature, physically and emotionally present.

Small man syndrome at its very worst.

They are all on the pay roll, their childcare etc needs to be done out of the office as does ranting and any other emotional outburst.

It is not the senior debating society it is the mother of all parliaments.........grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

your not you {big sigh]

In my opinion Bercow is full of his own importance

Javid said Bercow wasn't representing the Government - err no- he represents Parliament. Fundamental error Javid.

I think Mr Speaker is the one who's out of order here.

Very few people have been invited to speak in this way and it was high-handed of T May to go ahead with this without consulting others in Parliament.

Has she? I haven't seen any evidence that Theresa May or anyone else told Trump he could speak in the House.

It seems to be just Bercow throwing his auhority about again.

Strangely I am not totally comfortable with everyone being allowed to speak at Westminster, or invited to speak, or whichever it is.
Not have too much of a trouble with Trump.

But is there no line to be drawn whatsoever?

Bercow has a perfect right to exercise his authority.

Why, in this instance? Has Trump actually been invited to speak? Was it ever intended that he would be?

Bercow is just showing off.

Everyone isn''t allowed to speak at Westminster. It's by invitation of Parliament only. If people don't like the choice of invitees they can object by contacting their MP and setting out their objections. If enough people complained the House would have to note and respond.

People are also able to exercise their right to demonstrate against Parliament's choice and to make their feelings known in the media. That is part of Free Speech; the ability to criticise the government without any fear of reprisal.

GGM2 you say that ' it was high handed of T May to go ahead with this without consulting others in Parliament'
Go ahead with what?
Invite Trump on a State Visit/ invite Trump to visit Westminster/ invite him to speak in Westminster Hall ? surely she did not invite him to speak, as very few are invited to do so.
If a visit to Westminster is part of the State Visit, then why not, as all others invited on State Visits surely do visit Westminster as well?
Unless Trump had been invited to speak in Westminster Hall already, Bercow was a bit previous in decrying it....so what is actually going on?

"In my opinion Bercow is full of his own importance" And in this country you are allowed to hold that view Queenie but it doesn't mean freedom of speech has been curtailed in any way.

Exactly, as I asked before...

So Javid is correct then when he says Bercow does not represent the Government

thatbags I enjoyed that

It won't happen, though. Neither side will push for it. He just thinks he is Royal and does not seem to think much of democracy.

"I think Mr Speaker is the one who's out of order here." It would be nice to hear an informed opinion Kim19. Why and how is he "out of order"? Just disagreeing with what you want does not do it I'm afraid.

Freedom of speech seems to be allowed only if you agree with the majority! It seems to be perfectly acceptable to protest against Donald Trump, but if you employ your ' freedom ' of speech, and state that you are ' for ' him, you are very quickly turned upon, and shouted down!
I have NEVER in all my years seen such mass hysteria, and hypocrisy!
President Obama banned ALL Syrians from entering America for SIX months in 2011 ! Where were all the protesters then? I suspect they could not really care less! They just want to join the latest mindless mob, and not really have any idea of why, and not bother to find out what is REALLY going on in America!

Members of her party seem very miffed Ana and Roses so that has led me to believe she expect this offer to be made. However, you (who always back with facts of course) could easily be right and I may well be wrong in this instance.

These visits are arranged by the powers that be then we are informed . Queenie has her advisors, May has hers . Bercow received a petition by MP's and gave his reply to the house , good for him.

to expect a leader of a country in the West to share our values and if he doesn't dismiss it and say well they don't in the Middle East and East is wrong in my opinion.

We haven't said that we are right GGM2 but it isn't being made clear that she has actually made the offer to Trump to speak in Westminster Hall.

Have I got it wrong - I didn't think he had been invited to speak to Parliament. Bercow did jump the gun by saying he would ban DT from speaking. He has been a disastrous Speaker going from one gaff to another - compare him to Betty Boothroyd. If Theresa May had invited DT to speak (which I don't think she is able to do) that would be the time for Bercow to say his piece.

In this instance I was asking you for facts GGMk2 as you seemed certain that T May had already invited Trump to speak and that's why Bercow was making such a fuss.

Members of her party are probably miffed about Bercow's high-handed behaviour. Never mind, Corbyn's behind him, and Farron!

City84 you are right in saying that some people only want to allow "freedom of speech" (slight nuancing) when they feel they are in the majority.

However your example is weird. Trump is trying - really - to suppress freedom of speech by attacking all who say anything he doesn't like and trying to suppress the news media.

Being shouted down, as you put it is not suppressing freedom of speech - shout louder if you believe in what your are saying. Put real information forward instead of just views and opinions. Gransnet does not suppress freedom of speech.

"whataboutery" re Obama (yet again).

Then we will have to wait and see Roses - or we may never be told.

The only thing I have seen online ( BBC news items) said that T May had not invited Trump to speak ( address Parliament) and that so far, not even the date had been set for a State Visit.
If anyone has more info than this, speak up?

Freedom of speech is the topic roses and I apologise for taking it off track.