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Living with the Trump presidency

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MawBroon Fri 10-Feb-17 17:47:03

Apologies if there is a new Trump thread, but the only one I could find had hit the magic 1000 posts mark.
Just seen this on Facebook. Makes excellent sense.

durhamjen Mon 13-Feb-17 17:08:41

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-held-again-second-remain-leave-vote-pound-crash-uk-economy-bregret-a7365561.html

rosesarered Mon 13-Feb-17 17:08:40

One of those things wasn't dreadful varian ( at least to a lot of us!)
On the Trump issue...only time will tell.

Ana Mon 13-Feb-17 17:02:36

A survey of Daily Mirror readers, eh? Not biased at all towards the left then...

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 16:56:18

I thought you didnt like the trade deal dj and had a thread on it. But that might be a different trade deal entirely.

varian Mon 13-Feb-17 16:55:13

Two dreadful things happened in 2016 - the EU referendum and the election of Trump.

My children are distraught about Brexit because they understand how much damage it will do to their future, to their children's future and to the United Kingdom.

Of course we must recognise the responsibility of David Cameron for this and how he did not ensure that such a momentous and destructive decision could be made on the basis of the votes of a slim majority of those who voted on a single day. A poll based on a very large sample of voters around the country shows that the result today would be reversed as many who voted to leave have begun to understand the consequenses.

It is time to stop talking about the "will of the people". This is nothing more than a dishonest slogan used by the newspaper proprietors to manipulate opinion.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/britains-brexit-regret-survey-shows-9805513

Having said that, whilst I agree with them as I care about my family and my country, I actually believe that the election of Trump as POTUS is potentially more dangerous for us all. Trump endangers the world.

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 16:54:33

No preidential behaviour. I agree. And I too think he will carry on in the same way.
It has very much worked for him so far for decades and up to the present day, so I cant see it changing now.

Going after judges and media and intellectuals - if they are wrong, then so be it. Good.

Powers behind him are dark and dangerous - Who exactly? Which powers?

He claims facts that aren't true - someone who talks too much and too quickly is very likely to do that.
To me, and I could be wrong, I think it is a mixture of things. Not checking things, being given wrong information, and yes, getting facts wrong.
I hope he learns to get it better in future.

durhamjen Mon 13-Feb-17 16:47:28

North Korea has come in handy.
One of the first things trump did was stop the Transpacific partnership on trade.
Now he has to try and be friends with all those countries he didn't want to trade with.
It might make him think twice in the future.

whitewave Mon 13-Feb-17 16:36:32

3 weeks into power, and still no evidence of presidential behaviour. I have come to the conclusion that what you see is what we will get for the next 4 years.

He has successfully undoubtedly driven more Muslims into ISIS hands.
He is faithfully following in the footsteps of other egotistical loons. He's going after the judges and media, next will be the intellectuals. Who knows when he will stop.
He claims facts that aren't true.
Powers behind him are dark and dangerous
He will if not stopped take America back to the period when they were hated in large areas of the world.
Iran is beginning to mobilise against America
China is keeping quiet, but will undoubtedly not be intimidated.
We have another egotistical loon in North Korea and goodness knows where that will end.

POGS Sun 12-Feb-17 20:32:31

Hmm

durhamjen Sun 12-Feb-17 19:27:53

Royandsyl, if you don't like what people say just don't read the thread.

Ana Sun 12-Feb-17 19:20:00

No idea, wouldn't like to speculate.

Ankers Sun 12-Feb-17 19:16:31

You think it will take longer than 7 months in that case?

But Brexit, to the UK has bigger possible ramifications that Trump's election?

Ana Sun 12-Feb-17 19:07:39

That's a bit simplistic, Ankers - Trump is an actual human being, not a concept confused

Ankers Sun 12-Feb-17 19:00:20

If it takes 7 months like Brexit, things will be calmer in september.

Royandsyl Sun 12-Feb-17 17:40:19

I agree with Carol49. I too am sick of the things people say. Trump was voted in by the people of the U.S.A. Live and let live. Give him a chance. It is exactly the same as here. The people voted to leave the EU and the losers are still carping about it. Change the subjects and move on please.

rosesarered Sun 12-Feb-17 16:58:12

The difference being, that he is not a fascist dictator, but has been voted for by a lot of the American public.Who would argue about him being a fascist at all I would guess, whatever anybody else thinks.

Lewlew Sun 12-Feb-17 16:41:40

rosesarered No he is not a murderer, but he is a modern fascist and there are many like him in the world.

List and brief backgrounds at the link below.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/07/09/do-other-countries-have-donald-trumps-of-course-they-do/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.ad1b56ab001c

Diddy1 Sun 12-Feb-17 16:37:23

Mrneduc hold on there, why do the moaners have to be Northern, old, ill informed, or stupid, very prejudiced I would say, not a nice attitude to people who do not think as you do.President Trump is all of these, except being Northern, I have to agree there.

Ankers Sun 12-Feb-17 16:35:43

quizqueen - thank you for that post[not sure about the roll on paragraph]. I didnt know about 4 things you have posted.

Ana Sun 12-Feb-17 16:34:29

Just out of interest, why shouldn't the Japanese PM have to respect other countries' customs as well? Even our Queen didn't flinch when Michelle Obama put her arm around her - slthough it certainly isn't royal protocol!

Diddy1 Sun 12-Feb-17 16:28:31

Yes, that handshake said it all, the poor Japanese PM was probably horrified when Trump gave him a hug too, Japanese have not "touching strangers" customs, and not giving a pat on the back, Trump will really have to learn protocol, before he starts inviting people to the White House and respect other countries customs.

rosesarered Sun 12-Feb-17 16:16:35

Everbody here has their own opinions, just because they differ from yours doesn't mean they aren't valid ones.I agree with some posters who see a lot of hysteria and virtue signalling going on in Britain today ( and no, I am definitely not a Trump fan) just one who doesn't see him as another Pol Pot, Stalin etc etc.

rosesarered Sun 12-Feb-17 16:11:22

Rigby you have just done the same as what you are accusing niggly of doing, did you realise that?grin

Lewlew Sun 12-Feb-17 16:08:36

I find it very hard to hear posters comparing the steps the US president is taking as a good example of what should happen here. You are only seeing the visible agendas, like immigration, Mexican walls, etc.

It is very easy to sit here all comfy and secure with the NHS whilst the US has a very expensive for-profit fee per service health care system. Just dealing with a fee for service system is a freakin' nightmare I am glad to be out of. I remember the phone calls, the double-checking of pages and pages of a hospital bill for my husband's gall-bladder op (not even overnight!). It cost $20,000 in 1999 for it. We had bought an expats US style healthcare plan via Norwich Union at the time and after his operation, they TRIPLED his premiums, that was £400 a MONTH we could no longer pay and returned to the UK. I am so grateful for the NHS...words don't even come close to the care we have had.

For many Americans the Affordable Health Care Act is to be axed with no substitution in the works. Another chop-em-off-at-the-knees act that this dictator will likely announce soon.

That means no more healthcare coverage for millions of workers whose jobs will now not have to provide any insurance. Or if they do, it will revert as to being unaffordable, so people will opt out. Right now the country's population has the lowest uninsured rate ever. That's about 9%. Before Obamacare it was 14.5%.

In the US if you have a catastrophic illness in your family and have healthcare as it is now, like cancer, you must use up ALL of your assets to pay any overages above and beyond your health care coverage. That includes letting the hospital/doctors put a lien against YOUR HOME's equity. If you have then run out of assets, you are then eligible for Medicaid coverage. Your use of it is very limited as doctors and hospitals considered it 'poor people's' coverage, so these patients are considered more 'expendable'... as they don't have jobs to get back to. My late friend with bone cancer was consistently shoved to the back of the queue for chemo. The link below offers advice on how to cope when you cannot pay your medical bills and the debt collectors come calling.

www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-alderman/what-happens-when-you-can_1_b_1702356.html

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Your neighbours can own as many guns as they wish. Even close friends may not keep their guns locked up or out of reach of children. I did not have any little ones when living in the US, but a co-worker routinely had to remind her neighbour to put her gun out of reach whenever her child went over for an agreed play-date with the neighbour's. Children are curious.

www.ibtimes.com/accidental-gun-deaths-involving-children-are-major-problem-us-2250568

"By the end of 2015, about 265 children under 18 picked up a firearm and shot someone by accident, and 83 of those shootings were fatal, according to research compiled by the gun control group Everytown for Gun Safety. Some 41 of those deaths involved the shooters themselves, and most of the shootings involved toddlers or teens who were playing recklessly with the guns."

nigglynellie Sun 12-Feb-17 15:53:30

No , but I do see the intolerance of yours!

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