The Tory way of governance

I am a great believer in Social housing and also think Councils should be allowed to have their own stock and go back to having a team of men to carry out the maintenance and repairs. These systems also gave apprentices where youngsters were taught all the relevant skills. Are housing Ass. Run in the lines of a nonprofit making charity or are they just more private companies - don't want to google as cooking dinner!

What recession ? Should we not deal with that if we ever have one?

I appreciate it djen ( if house prices stop going up like rockets) it's time that they at least stabilised, even if they don't come down.Why on earth should Leavers think any differently to Remainers on this question? In my little corner of the country, house prices are eye watering.

Also, if house prices drop, many struggling young families will find themselves locked into negative equity. I agree durhamjen, more social housing needs to be built by councils and housing associations, without the right to buy being part of that.

I agree, Welshwife, but it's only in this country that owning a house is seen as a right.
Maybe if house prices come down, there will be more incentive for landbankers to sell land back to councils for building more council houses. I don't think that came into the thinking of whoever wrote that in Maizie's link.

The problem Jen may be that salaries of many on low pay still do not go up sufficiently for those people to get mortgages.

Although it was of course whitewave who made the original statement.

You're still jumping the gun rather, MaizieD - we're not actually 'out of' Europe yet. That's not rocket science either...

There is one reasonable reason there, that the ensuing recession will bring down house prices, so more people will be able to afford to buy houses.
I'm not sure those who voted to leave will appreciate it, though.

Don't know how you work that out...

It's not rocket science, Ana

Cameron was having problems with the extreme right wing of the tories. He promised them a referendum to keep them sweet. There was absolutely no need whatsoever to have one; no crisis in the UK, no crisis in the EU.
As he (and most MPs) never imagined for one moment that the result would be a 'No' they didn't bother to devise an appropriate referendum and despite the advice of the Civil Service that the referendum was advisory (see the Commons briefing paper) they promised to go with the result. But because they had no idea that the result would go against them they had absolutely no contingency plan in place, apart from saying that they would invoke A50 straight away. Though, to be fair, neither did the b****y Leavers, some of whom hadn't wanted to 'win' as it turned out.. Then the idiot who got us into this mess ran away, tra la la ing, to live on his inherited wealth and the enormous fees he'll get for 'consultancy' work and after dinner speeches.

Do I really need to go on? It was a mistake; they didn't mean to do it...

And just to depress us angry Remainers more, I found this on twitter this morning:

extranewsfeed.com/50-dumb-fuck-reasons-for-leaving-the-eu-66a40c72c1da#.l6x0ccrom

I do actually know people who have used some of these reasons...

Mistakenly got us out of Europe

Don't know how you work that out...

No 10 and No 11 at each others' throats

Dejà vu, plus ça change etc.

So everywhere you look the country is in crises.

The Tories have also

Very likely lost us the union with Scotland

Northern Ireland is looking dodgy

Mistakenly got us out of Europe

On and on in their clueless way.

Scrapping Tories have got us into this fine mess. Did ever a country before try to shoot itself in the foot so determinedly. (wars excepted) ? And all because the euro sceptics in the Tory party put the wind up Cameron.

What was it he said in his speech about Lawson, I think, being the last one to make a speech like his, and he only lasted another eight weeks in the job?

No 10 and 11 totally at each other's throats and there some vicious briefs coming out from both. Bit early in this governments life isn't it?

Mind you the Brexiters are out to get Hammond and this is one amongst many.

It was ever thus with the Tories.

evolvepolitics.com/the-tampon-tax-is-back-and-its-being-used-to-hide-tory-failings/

Yes Channel 4 have been plugging away on the tory election fraud story. 29 police authorities investigating.

More about Surrey council's extra money for social care.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/10/surrey-council-received-boost-in-budget-after-sweetheart-deal-claims

Years ago when we first went to a developing country, one of the many things that struck us was the amount of potholes in the roads and the poor state of repair..

Guess what??!!

It won't be very long before our roads are indistinguishable. They really are getting quite dreadful, and the patchwork done on the cheap is yet another thing that shows the level of public expenditure this crappy government has reduced us to.

Alleged Tory expenses scandal still in the news.

www.channel4.com/news/tory-whistleblowers-election-expenses-conservative-party-battlebus

This is interesting. Research shows that people work better if the system gives generous benefits.

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2017/03/10/generous-welfare-benefits-increase-the-work-ethic-the-government-is-wrong-about-perverse-incentives/

I'd like to see an update on the study using recent British statistics.

Dear oh dear, some people do need to read what is written. I did not say AB was a Tory but that, on and on and on, she would rather support what their supporters say than the current LP.

I agree about not knowing where I sit re current politics dd. To me Corbyn was a brilliant opportunity for the LP to sort themselves out while little was expected of them but instead they used it for infighting - sad. I also like the way the press don't always seem to have the upper hand were he is concerned and he won't always jump to the hourly news churn - although I realise that's not really about his politics.

I do wish the LP would get out and make it clear that the Tories have not only brought in austerity but chosen how they did it. If we simply put Corporation Tax back to 2010 we could cover the needs of both the NHS and care. They have chosen to give the money to capital. It was a choice which has deprived the NHS and care and therefore took from the rest of us. I am certainly not happy about that.

The Lib Dems are doing what LDs do and building their party back up again. I don't see them as my natural home at the moment. I will just keep discussing and trying to learn as always I think.

Do as I say not as I do? Like take a holiday whilst the party is working hard on the Brexit campaign

Daphne, please do not lecture me as a Labour Party member that we need to reach out, I belong to a party which represents ny values and beliefs, Corbyn is not the lsbour party, get the difference ?

I disagree supporters of Corbyn are not much better than plonkers ,