The Tory way of governance

JessM I agree that it IS deliberately done,Austerity is and never has been a necessity its a political ideology meant to keep the peasnats down and the ruling classes thrive ...and by whatever god you believe in...it certainly works!!

this morning in the house of commons the Tory minister for transport John Hayes told the assembly that the Tay and Forth Bridges were closed in 2008 when the SNP stopped bridge tolls in Scotland.....THAT is really news to all the hundreds of thousands of people who have crossed over them in the years since then.Surely the first job of ANY minister is to be informed ...not only have these bridges not been closed we have brand new crossing due to open in May ,on target ,under budget(so far) ,funded BY Scotland Whether this was a genuine mistake or was said to undermine the devolved government is irrelevant BUT he must be made to retract the statement as so many clowns will believe everything he says .. . simply because he's a "minister"If they can get something like this wrong what other misinformation is being given to WM daily?

I don't believe that for one minute JessM none of those things are done deliberately at all.As for sending more people to prison and keeping them longer.....just the opposite,as my police officer SIL often complains, people are kept out of prisons as long as they possibly can be, sometimes to the detriment of society.

'Implementing far right policies...'? Realy? How Far Right?

Meant divided not decided , sorry

And not by accident Whitewave - it is quite deliberate.
Deliberate dismantling of local authority expertise in supporting schools for instance. While people running "academy chains" now line their pockets and refuse to be transparent about how they are spending public money.
Deliberately undermining renewable energy,so that large energy companies thrive.
Deliberately going for the most damaging version of Brexit.
Deliberately sending more people to prison and keeping them there longer. While outsourcing more and more of the prison service into private hands.
Deliberately undermining the NHS so that private healthcare becomes more profitable.
Deliberately not building enough new houses, keeps property prices nice and high for rich landlords.
All done quite deliberately and for ideological reasons. Implementing far right policies while they try to look sincere and utter insincere platitudes about the "just managing" and about "efficiency savings"
And on manifestos which said things like "NHS safe in our hands" and "The greenest government ever".

I disagree Daphne that labour has decided values. You only have to read the posts on this forum, I am a Labour Party member but do not agree with the Corbyn labour supporters , yet we hold the same values .

Ana

Well, have a good old moan on here and hopefully that'll make everyone feel better.

Perhaps there should be a 'The Labour way of Opposition' thread, but I doubt whether there'd be much enthusiasm...(apart from Annie of course!)

Whatever is said about the opposition this can't deflect from the way we are experiencing crises after crises. Whoever eventually tries to get a grip with it all is going to have an enormous uphill job. Everywhere you look it is falling apart.

Too many opposing views for that to happen niggly.
Of course anyone can criticise/bash any political party in government, and grumble away all day if they feel like it.
At the moment it seems that only May's government can do anything much, and they also have Brexit to deal with.
I think the love affair with Corbyn is well and truly over, even 'young Owen' ( the one who looks about twelve) was admitting so ( in so many words)on The Daily Politics.

Money needed for all these crises - but Government still happy to spend, spend, spend on HS2 and ruining more people's lives. It's about time they concentrated on getting the basics right

I definately think is desperately needed over Brexit. I am not at all convinced that those presently in charge like Davis, Johnson and Fox are up to it. And to be fair it really is something that the whole of parliament should put their brains into as it is the future of the UK we are talking about.

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/woman-who-keeps-voting-tory-cant-work-out-why-public-services-are-shit-20170222122582

Imo, a good solution would be if the best brains on all sides were to get together to form a government. That way all opinions could be aired, discussed and solutions reached. I know that's pie in the sky, but there are so many wasted brains particularly on the back benches opposite, it's such a waste.

we should be able to criticise EVERY government where necessary and some deserve it more than others .The coalition kept the tories in check ,now they can do what they want and to hell with the rest of the country....I realy dont understand why joe public voted them in at all .Of course they didn't in my part of the world ,though we're stuck with them too.

So who would be a good leader in your opinion annie? How could he/she reconcile the different values and interests of potential Labour voters?

I think the Labour Party has some very good politicians with plenty of ideas, but they're sitting on the back benches.

The numbers don't add up. The Labour Party can't win an election, whoever their leader is, with the loss of Scotland and boundary changes. They need to compromise one way or the other. At the moment, there are at least two different parties within one, with different values. Either they learn to get on with each other, possibly coming to agreements with other minority parties, or they're doomed. The dividing lines in British society are no longer about the working class versus capitalism.

Anything against Corbyn is bashing

anything against the government is critcism

Corbyn has said even though labour is 18 points behind the Tories in the polls they are doing well on social media

And in fairness to reporters , it was Corbyn who yelled he was being harassed when asked a question by a reporter , the question was on his views of an early general election. Wonder how many leaders have been asked that and gave an answer

They will be in power for a long time because of our FPTP voting system, the gerrymandering of constituencies, and the biassed reporting from 90% of the media.
You don't know what Corbyn could do if he wasn't being maligned and misquoted at every turn. Seems to me Labour is the only party standing up against austerity and the cuts to the NHS and Social care, but you have to look very hard to find it

Of course not, but it might be nice to have a few suggested solutions that could be discussed instead of endless bashing!

So should there be no criticism? Are we to take everything without comment?

If we think that there is no one in the opposition that could form a half decent government, should that stop us from stating our opinion about the shambles?

Is anyone seriously suggesting that ANYONE from any of the opposition benches has the magic wand and could do better than Mrs May and her team? Forgive me, but not one name comes to mind, never mind a team!! It's so easy to bash on these threads/parliament but when it comes to constructive solutions the silence is deafening!!

Really doesnt sound that much different form 2010

That comment, ab, reminds me of protesters in the US claiming placardly (invented word!) that Trump is not their president. Can't help thinking sorry, dearies, but actually he is, like it or not.