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whitewave Thu 23-Feb-17 13:12:57

Crises in Prisons

Crises in Hospitals

Crises in Social Care

Crises in some Academies

Crises in Local Authority services

Anniebach Mon 20-Mar-17 10:36:50

Honestly Rosesarered, a little bit guilty , ever heard a jury bring in that verdict ?

rosesarered Mon 20-Mar-17 10:29:48

I guess a little bit pregnant would be about eight weeks ab grin

rosesarered Mon 20-Mar-17 10:28:26

Hanging, drawing, quartering?

durhamjen Sun 19-Mar-17 23:29:22

Yes, there are. If you show your paperwork to the electoral commission when it asks and it finds anomalies, you own up to it, you are guilty.
If you hide or destroy the paperwork and say you have done nothing wrong as the Tories are still insisting, then you are doubly guilty, and deserve a harsher penalty for trying to hide the evidence.

Anniebach Sun 19-Mar-17 23:23:14

Maizie, are there levels of guilt ? A little bit guilty is the same as being a little bit pregnant

durhamjen Sun 19-Mar-17 23:17:59

Interestingly, Maizie, the Labour and Libdem amounts were the maximum they could be fined at the time.
The maximum was obviously raised in between the Libdem fine and now.
If the Tories had been honest and handed over their paperwork when first asked, they would only have been fined £20,000. Obviously they had a lot more to hide.

MaizieD Sun 19-Mar-17 23:12:49

The sums involved certainly indicate the degree of guilt of each party.

Anniebach Sun 19-Mar-17 23:08:40

Jen, do not tell me what I should or should not be doing as a lifelong labour supporter , you are too full of self importance, take care you could burst

durhamjen Sun 19-Mar-17 23:04:53

So perhaps your posts should attack the dishonest Tories, who had to be taken to court to get them to hand over information to the electoral commission.
As a lifelong Labour supporter, you should be holding them to account. Or does that not matter to you any more?

Anniebach Sun 19-Mar-17 22:57:52

Yes I am sure Jen, but this doesn't mean one cannot or should not be honest , well not for me

durhamjen Sun 19-Mar-17 22:44:37

Not at all. The other big difference is that Labour and Libdems cooperated with the electoral commission.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/07/lib-dems-fined-20000-for-undeclared-election-spending

Are you sure you are Labour, Annie?
2015 election expenses had nothing to do with Corbyn, so you don't have to attack Labour about that.

Anniebach Sun 19-Mar-17 22:33:35

So the sum involved in this matters not the fact the three parties were guilty?

MaizieD Sun 19-Mar-17 22:31:16

Oh, sorry. I'm not keeping up...

durhamjen Sun 19-Mar-17 22:26:09

Some people want a strange form of democracy, the one where those with the biggest pot of money win.

Ana Sun 19-Mar-17 22:23:14

Yes, that's already been discussed on here MaizieD if you care to scroll back to the 16th March.

MaizieD Sun 19-Mar-17 22:17:21

The tories were recently fined £70,000 by the Electoral Commission, for 'significant failures in reporting campaign spending' (aka fiddling expenses?). In one account I read the Chair of the Electoral Commission said that that was the maximum they were allowed to fine anyone but she would have made it more had it been in her power to do so. Which makes it sound as though it's not just a case of a bit of poor accounting... This figure is more than three times the £20,000 respectively that Lab and Lib Dems were fined.

Of course, it goes without saying that the Electoral Commission fine has nothing to do with the police investigation.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-party-fine-tory-tories-electoral-commission-70000-election-campaign-expenses-a7632516.html

Anniebach Sun 19-Mar-17 21:08:13

Libs were fined twenty thousand fir over spending , no one jailed

Anniebach Sun 19-Mar-17 21:03:58

Lsbour was fined twenty thousand for over spending, no one jailed

rosesarered Sun 19-Mar-17 20:45:03

grin Oh, this is getting funny.
The usual suspects are simply having a pop, which they do on a regular basis.You know as well as I do ww that the Conservatives so far have been fined, and no doubt will be fined again, or do you really imagine that anyone will be doing jail time.
This childish questioning is just daft.

Ana Sun 19-Mar-17 19:50:51

Digging what, durhamjen? I have no idea what you're getting at...confused

durhamjen Sun 19-Mar-17 19:45:57

Keep digging, Ana.

Ana Sun 19-Mar-17 19:38:45

I expect it does to certain people...

durhamjen Sun 19-Mar-17 19:35:52

"I think" does not mean I know.

Ana Sun 19-Mar-17 19:19:07

I think it will end after the Tories have been taken to court over the election fraud. - no doubt there, either.

durhamjen Sun 19-Mar-17 19:14:59

"There will be heavy fines"; no doubt there.