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The Tory way of governance

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whitewave Thu 23-Feb-17 13:12:57

Crises in Prisons

Crises in Hospitals

Crises in Social Care

Crises in some Academies

Crises in Local Authority services

durhamjen Sun 19-Mar-17 16:45:35

I don't think we need bother about Ukip joining the coalition.

whitewave Sun 19-Mar-17 16:43:01

School funding is another crises looming large. When is it all going to end?

Divisive policies being pursued by May are making the problems worse in a very divided country.

I can never remember such a divided country in my entire life of 70+ years.

whitewave Sun 19-Mar-17 16:35:12

That's exactly what I mean annie we need a broad left coalition.

Anniebach Sun 19-Mar-17 09:40:06

So if the 60% are split between UKIP, Libs,Labour ,Greens and 40% are Tory the msjority party wins power, unless you think the country should have a coilition UKIP,Lib,Labour and Green government. Err yes?

whitewave Sun 19-Mar-17 09:28:42

Err yes??

Anniebach Sun 19-Mar-17 08:49:23

So 40% do want Tory government?

whitewave Sun 19-Mar-17 08:18:32

What's to be done? 60% of the UK population do not want Tory rule? Who is to take their place? How can that be democracy?

whitewave Sun 19-Mar-17 08:09:45

See there is a cross Party alliance being formed against grammars.

Also radio reporting a probable election soon.

whitewave Sat 18-Mar-17 03:34:07

Yes dj but We know the Tories are split and Osborne has a better platform now than he does as a mere back bencher.

I can just imagine May grabbing it every afternoon to read the latest shoot across her bow

durhamjen Fri 17-Mar-17 23:28:49

I presume the Evening Standard is a pro-Tory paper.

MaizieD Fri 17-Mar-17 22:47:50

SIX jobs JessM!

But of course, he's one of the wealthy elite so normal conventions don't apply to him (like MP and Newspaper editor are usually each full time jobs)

JessM Fri 17-Mar-17 22:38:31

Maybe we should tip our hats to the third scandal created by young Gideon Osborne MP.
Chap without a single tick on the recruiter's Person Specification gets top job.
Plus there's a job in a bank, was it 1 days a month? £560,000.
And then there's the public speaking gigs and a few other bits and bobs.
And he's not going to step down as an MP.

JessM Fri 17-Mar-17 22:19:59

Yes quite - still no legal abortion in NI but they'll be affected by this benefit cut.
I know someone who got pregnant on the pill. I suspect maybe because she is a tall and well-built woman and I think the pill only comes in one dosage whether you are 4 ft 10 or 5ft 11. And it was far too late for the morning after pill by the time she found out!!!
I was reading an interesting article earlier (sorry, Economist, and unless you have one on the kitchen table, behind paywall) about the fact that some countries attempt to consider gender in their budgeting i.e. how will different policies affect women vs men. The Tories probably did not set out to create an outcome where women have suffered 86% of the impact of benefit cuts, but because they did not think about it, that is what has happened. Meanwhile they (randomly) shell out lumps of money to save mainly male industrial jobs, while pursuing policies that make very large numbers of women poorer. e.g. handout of £21millon to Toyota.
I wonder who it is that suffers most from zero hours contracts and the supermarkets refusing to give out full time jobs.
As for the Tories! They've had a gruesome week, bless their chilly blue hearts, with the Tory election fraud scandal hitting the press hot on the heels of Hammond's massive budget balls up. And top it off, T'reesa turned up to the Welsh Conservative Party Conference wearing pillar box red from head to pointy toe. Is this a feeble attempt to convince people that she's a socialist at heart? Is she going to keep this subliminal one-woman campaign going by popping up to Llandudno next weekend to pose outside the Welsh Labour conference (thus getting lots of wear out of her new suit?) Will the Welsh be convinced? Or will they just think she's supporting their Team.

Ilovecheese Fri 17-Mar-17 19:24:30

Do you mean because of abortions being against the law there?

Anniebach Fri 17-Mar-17 19:03:53

We do llovecheese. i wonder how many women in NI will be affected by all this

trisher Fri 17-Mar-17 19:01:44

So if a woman has two children and is widowed they must all suffer financially if she marries again and has a third child?

Ilovecheese Fri 17-Mar-17 18:47:14

Anniebach thank you, you see we do agree on some things!

Ana Fri 17-Mar-17 18:43:50

The family would still get child benefit for any number of children...

Ana Fri 17-Mar-17 18:39:43

Of course they shouldn't be 'forced to have an abortion', and nor would they be. They just wouldn't receive tax credits for a third child.

Anniebach Fri 17-Mar-17 18:36:06

Well said llovecheese

Ilovecheese Fri 17-Mar-17 18:21:09

When did we start treating children as if they were a lifestyle choice like a handbag or a pair of shoes? Children should be seen as a gift to the country not a drain. We are short of young people in this country, what is wrong with having our own? Many people have an unplanned pregnancy, remember the phrase "unplanned but not unwanted". Why should a mother be forced to abort a pregnancy that could have gone on to become a much loved child and a benefit to society.

Iam64 Fri 17-Mar-17 18:00:55

Thanks penstemmon, I'm with you. We need a coalition of the progressive left to mount a proper challenge to the government. As you said, their majority wasn't overwhelming and nor was the referendum result. I accept we have a conservative government and that the result of the referendum means we're leaving Europe. I'd prefer neither of those things to be so but there we are.
It seems to me we're beyond having a largely two party system. If we had an effective opposition, the problems and divides in the government would be exposed to a greater degree than is the case now.

magpie123 Fri 17-Mar-17 17:08:16

The contraception pill is 99% safe. Not everyone can take the contraception pill but they can take the morning after pill in the unlikely event they had been raped.

Penstemmon Fri 17-Mar-17 16:48:09

It is about time politicians of all shades started focusing on proper problem solving and listening to all the electorate. The current government is in power but it was not on the back of an overwhelming majority, nor was the referendum 'won' by a huge majority , it scraped in with a couple of %. It would do those with power good to remember all those who did not vote for their policies and steer a political line that reflects the divide in the country.

Currently too many MPs are self-serving. Politics in the UK is a complete mess. Only right of centre Tories (& they are a minority I understand!) are happy! Opposition is either not shouting its policies or is not being reported..hard to know which!

We need a coalition of the progressive left to mount a proper challenge to the government.

Ana Fri 17-Mar-17 15:52:51

Good point, Annie.

However, the clause referred to hasn't suddenly been sprung on us - I was aware of it ages ago, can't remember how but it must have been via mainstream news, not a link on GN.